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Just woundering if this class might be thinking of removing the sissy bars yet. That would stop a lot of this weight add on.
Also does this class allow spark boxes with traction control? or any traction control devices? |
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| You can run the 7531 if thats what you are getting at. Also I know others have seperate traction control devices as well. Can't answer the wheelie bar question though. |
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Posted By chevstang on 07/20/2007 9:09 PM
Just woundering if this class might be thinking of removing the sissy bars yet. That would stop a lot of this weight add on.
Also does this class allow spark boxes with traction control? or any traction control devices?
have you ever stood a car on the bumper and then promtly destroyed the oil pan, a-arms, k-member, etc...
not to mention the rear bumper, parachute, brakets etc...
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chevstang
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| 07/21/2007 2:27 PM |
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Yep sure have but hell i seen on other web site were this class is saying they are based off of other classes.Hell this is the only true ten five class is the country that allows sissy bars...
My dill is i was told maybe all tall decks should weigh 3500lbs..bullshit...take the bars off and quit relying on them.
Why kill the bbc when they are not ruling the class..
Hey you should make the bbf weigh 3500lbs too the can build 570 cubs and the have a 10.2 deck hieght..
this is just my thought. hell iwill still show up and run i don,t care...
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| What do we do if were at k-dale and somebody oils the track down and they cant get it cleaned up in time to finish the finals in the other classes(Midnight curfew)......That would suck and really wouldnt be fair to all the other guys! |
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All the fast cars need wheelie bars. Look at Wolfe.........Oh wait he left them off sometimes |
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| 07/21/2007 5:44 PM |
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My only point is if the tall deck bbc have to add wait than,let all bbc take the mufflers off. or make the turdbo cars run mufflers too.
This is my point because some one has to stand up for the bbc's |
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Posted By chevstang on 07/21/2007 5:44 PM
My only point is if the tall deck bbc have to add wait than,let all bbc take the mufflers off. or make the turdbo cars run mufflers too.
This is my point because some one has to stand up for the bbc's
I guess I am missing your point, are you saying that the bbc are at a disadvantage? |
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Posted By chevstang on 07/21/2007 2:27 PM
Yep sure have but hell i seen on other web site were this class is saying they are based off of other classes.Hell this is the only true ten five class is the country that allows sissy bars...
My dill is i was told maybe all tall decks should weigh 3500lbs..bullshit...take the bars off and quit relying on them.
Why kill the bbc when they are not ruling the class..
Hey you should make the bbf weigh 3500lbs too the can build 570 cubs and the have a 10.2 deck hieght..
this is just my thought. hell iwill still show up and run i don,t care...
I know you took a long layoff from TTT5 and probably were not at the races that this has happened at, but at 2 different races at Kennedale we have had oil downs from big wheel stands that caused us to either cut out a round of Q or not finish in time before the curfew. By the way, the COTT allows wheelie bars and so do the Houston TT5's and so did FSTA.
Also as far as the 3500 # rule goes, Greg Green with his 57 Chevy held the class ET record on one fogger system with a 5.26 ET, at 3560 lbs. He runs a tall deck that is 632 cubic inches. So are you saying we should let 632 inch motors run at 3200?
One reason why the FSTA died is because they didn't keep a tight reign on there rules. They let those 632 inch motors in at the same weight as a 496 inch motor and they had the field covered by 3 tenths or better. Particitation fell off because the average Joe, average guy with a car, average guy who can't afford a fulton motor, didn't have a chance in hell at winning unless the big cubic inch guys broke at the line or red lit.
I hope this answers you questions with some clarity.
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chevstang
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| 07/22/2007 7:37 AM |
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Well I finally got a answer on the wheelie bars...
Plus the tall deck thing is just some people have just a chevy tall deck. Why would you add weight to a 496 and make weigh the same as 632.
Plus on Fulton I have a lot of parts from the and a lot of help...Trying to get more maybe next year..like a motor..... but anyways..
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| 07/22/2007 10:18 AM |
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Posted By chevstang on 07/21/2007 5:44 PM
My only point is if the tall deck bbc have to add wait than,let all bbc take the mufflers off. or make the turdbo cars run mufflers too.
This is my point because some one has to stand up for the bbc's
Turbo cars do have to have mufflers. |
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| 07/22/2007 11:16 AM |
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Posted By Unc on 07/22/2007 4:38 AM Posted By chevstang on 07/21/2007 2:27 PM
Yep sure have but hell i seen on other web site were this class is saying they are based off of other classes.Hell this is the only true ten five class is the country that allows sissy bars...
My dill is i was told maybe all tall decks should weigh 3500lbs..bullshit...take the bars off and quit relying on them.
Why kill the bbc when they are not ruling the class..
Hey you should make the bbf weigh 3500lbs too the can build 570 cubs and the have a 10.2 deck hieght..
this is just my thought. hell iwill still show up and run i don,t care...
I know you took a long layoff from TTT5 and probably were not at the races that this has happened at, but at 2 different races at Kennedale we have had oil downs from big wheel stands that caused us to either cut out a round of Q or not finish in time before the curfew. By the way, the COTT allows wheelie bars and so do the Houston TT5's and so did FSTA. Also as far as the 3500 # rule goes, Greg Green with his 57 Chevy held the class ET record on one fogger system with a 5.26 ET, at 3560 lbs. He runs a tall deck that is 632 cubic inches. So are you saying we should let 632 inch motors run at 3200? One reason why the FSTA died is because they didn't keep a tight reign on there rules. They let those 632 inch motors in at the same weight as a 496 inch motor and they had the field covered by 3 tenths or better. Particitation fell off because the average Joe, average guy with a car, average guy who can't afford a fulton motor, didn't have a chance in hell at winning unless the big cubic inch guys broke at the line or red lit. I hope this answers you questions with some clarity. Unc
Hey UNC thanks for the clarification,
I agree the big inch tall decks should weigh 3500lbs. I might be incorrect but.. isn't there just 2 Tall deck castings that you can get the big inches from? If that is the case why not make the tall decks with those castings weigh 3500? Do you think it would be to hard to police?
I agree you need to keep a tight riegn on the rules and I am not in any way trying to bash the decision making of TTT5.. but since this 3500lb tall deck is in the discussion stages we thought we would chime in.. no matter what decision is made we will support TTT5.
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| 07/22/2007 8:26 PM |
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Posted By 1sickgremlin on 07/22/2007 11:16 AM Posted By Unc on 07/22/2007 4:38 AM Posted By chevstang on 07/21/2007 2:27 PM
Yep sure have but hell i seen on other web site were this class is saying they are based off of other classes.Hell this is the only true ten five class is the country that allows sissy bars...
My dill is i was told maybe all tall decks should weigh 3500lbs..bullshit...take the bars off and quit relying on them.
Why kill the bbc when they are not ruling the class..
Hey you should make the bbf weigh 3500lbs too the can build 570 cubs and the have a 10.2 deck hieght..
this is just my thought. hell iwill still show up and run i don,t care...
I know you took a long layoff from TTT5 and probably were not at the races that this has happened at, but at 2 different races at Kennedale we have had oil downs from big wheel stands that caused us to either cut out a round of Q or not finish in time before the curfew. By the way, the COTT allows wheelie bars and so do the Houston TT5's and so did FSTA. Also as far as the 3500 # rule goes, Greg Green with his 57 Chevy held the class ET record on one fogger system with a 5.26 ET, at 3560 lbs. He runs a tall deck that is 632 cubic inches. So are you saying we should let 632 inch motors run at 3200? One reason why the FSTA died is because they didn't keep a tight reign on there rules. They let those 632 inch motors in at the same weight as a 496 inch motor and they had the field covered by 3 tenths or better. Particitation fell off because the average Joe, average guy with a car, average guy who can't afford a fulton motor, didn't have a chance in hell at winning unless the big cubic inch guys broke at the line or red lit. I hope this answers you questions with some clarity. Unc Hey UNC thanks for the clarification, I agree the big inch tall decks should weigh 3500lbs. I might be incorrect but.. isn't there just 2 Tall deck castings that you can get the big inches from? If that is the case why not make the tall decks with those castings weigh 3500? Do you think it would be to hard to police? I agree you need to keep a tight riegn on the rules and I am not in any way trying to bash the decision making of TTT5.. but since this 3500lb tall deck is in the discussion stages we thought we would chime in.. no matter what decision is made we will support TTT5. Thanks,
gremlin, the 3500 #'s doesn't apply to the 427, OEM tall deck truck block. That block can only make 530 something inches. It's the bowtie and aftermarket blocks that can make over 600 inches that have to carry the weight. The Firebird with the Camaro frontend that races in Extreme, owned by Pat McKinney, has the 427 truck block and they weigh in at 3200 #'s. I hope this answers you question.
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| 07/22/2007 8:31 PM |
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Posted By chevstang on 07/22/2007 7:37 AM
Well I finally got a answer on the wheelie bars...
Plus the tall deck thing is just some people have just a chevy tall deck. Why would you add weight to a 496 and make weigh the same as 632.
Plus on Fulton I have a lot of parts from the and a lot of help...Trying to get more maybe next year..like a motor..... but anyways..
Thanks anyways.
chevystang, read the rules a little more careful and you will see it's the AFTERMARKET tall deck blocks that have to carry the weight, which includes the Bowtie racing block, the ones that can make over 600 inches, not the OEM, small bore tall deck blocks.
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| 07/23/2007 2:51 PM |
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Posted By Unc on 07/22/2007 8:26 PM Posted By 1sickgremlin on 07/22/2007 11:16 AM Posted By Unc on 07/22/2007 4:38 AM Posted By chevstang on 07/21/2007 2:27 PM
Yep sure have but hell i seen on other web site were this class is saying they are based off of other classes.Hell this is the only true ten five class is the country that allows sissy bars...
My dill is i was told maybe all tall decks should weigh 3500lbs..bullshit...take the bars off and quit relying on them.
Why kill the bbc when they are not ruling the class..
Hey you should make the bbf weigh 3500lbs too the can build 570 cubs and the have a 10.2 deck hieght..
this is just my thought. hell iwill still show up and run i don,t care...
I know you took a long layoff from TTT5 and probably were not at the races that this has happened at, but at 2 different races at Kennedale we have had oil downs from big wheel stands that caused us to either cut out a round of Q or not finish in time before the curfew. By the way, the COTT allows wheelie bars and so do the Houston TT5's and so did FSTA. Also as far as the 3500 # rule goes, Greg Green with his 57 Chevy held the class ET record on one fogger system with a 5.26 ET, at 3560 lbs. He runs a tall deck that is 632 cubic inches. So are you saying we should let 632 inch motors run at 3200? One reason why the FSTA died is because they didn't keep a tight reign on there rules. They let those 632 inch motors in at the same weight as a 496 inch motor and they had the field covered by 3 tenths or better. Particitation fell off because the average Joe, average guy with a car, average guy who can't afford a fulton motor, didn't have a chance in hell at winning unless the big cubic inch guys broke at the line or red lit. I hope this answers you questions with some clarity. Unc Hey UNC thanks for the clarification, I agree the big inch tall decks should weigh 3500lbs. I might be incorrect but.. isn't there just 2 Tall deck castings that you can get the big inches from? If that is the case why not make the tall decks with those castings weigh 3500? Do you think it would be to hard to police? I agree you need to keep a tight riegn on the rules and I am not in any way trying to bash the decision making of TTT5.. but since this 3500lb tall deck is in the discussion stages we thought we would chime in.. no matter what decision is made we will support TTT5. Thanks, gremlin, the 3500 #'s doesn't apply to the 427, OEM tall deck truck block. That block can only make 530 something inches. It's the bowtie and aftermarket blocks that can make over 600 inches that have to carry the weight. The Firebird with the Camaro frontend that races in Extreme, owned by Pat McKinney, has the 427 truck block and they weigh in at 3200 #'s. I hope this answers you question. Unc
UNC,
I guess where the confusion came from was 2wks ago at the Denton race.. we were talking to a TTT5 guy..Benny I think ..(Chevstang can correct me if I am wrong) and he was saying that next year the tall deck BBC cars will prob be changed to 3500 lbs. The reason was there are a couple of production castings that can be taken out to big inches.. just like the aftermarket/bowtie blocks. I should have mentioned this from the start.. I just assumed ya'll were discussing this.
Thanks,
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| 07/23/2007 8:45 PM |
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| Gremlin, you are correct. It is our understanding there are a couple OEM blocks that can make the big inches. We will have to research it further, get the casting #'s and make those carry the weight. We will get a better handle on it after the season is over and address it accordingly. |
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