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| 04/27/2007 10:34 AM |
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It has come to our attention that there is a concern in E/S about the use of a dual stage nos plate system compared to a direct port/fogger system. It was first brought up last year in the form of e-mails. The e-mails have continued and one such e-mail did not just state opinion but facts. The e-mail talked about how with new technology and one’s own interpretation of the rules this could and has been used to one’s advantage.
After receiving the latest e-mail several calls were made to several of the leading manufactures of dual stage nos plates. They agreed that the dual stage plate had and advantage. First of all it was a dual system compared to a single direct port/fogger single system. It was easier to dial in with the dual stage system. Also you could effectively use more nitrous. They advised that the only way to have an even playing field was to either allow everyone a dual system or a single system.
This brings us to this point. The mission of TTT5 is to have a racing organization for the average guy that promotes parity. It is unfortunate that we all must suffer because of the selfishness and greed of one or two. This is in no way a stab at the racers that are using a dual stage nos plate. We believe the vast majority are using them in the context of the original rules. However in and effort to maintain parity nos plate system will be limited to one nitrous solenoid and one fuel solenoid. This is the best scenario for this unfortunate situation. In retrospect TTT5 made a mistake, allowing a dual stage nos system vs. a single nos system. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes, show me a perfect person (one without fault) I’ll show you a liar.
Before you start to complain remember this was done for the benefit of the class/organization. When we first adjusted from two systems to one system people thought we were crazy. Well the truth is car count went up and the elapsed times only slowed down about a tenth. The vast majority of the racers in this class already have a direct port/fogger system on their car. Sorry for the inconvenience but it is truly in the best interest of the class/organization.
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Totenabigstick
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| 04/27/2007 6:58 PM |
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have a couple questions........
#1....How could this decision be made in the interest of "parity" when the fastest passes in the class have been made by cars with foggers on them???
#2....How can this decision be considered as a FAIR decision to the guys with the plates when a nozzle system has TWO nitrous solenoids and NOW the plate systems are going to be restricted to only ONE???
#3....Why was this "concern" not addressed OR EVEN BROUGHT UP FOR THAT MATTER at the rules meeting that WE ALL HAD only 1 race ago???
#4....If this decision was REALLY made for "THE BENEFIT OF THE ORGANIZATION" ......please explain to me how attempting to further restrict cars THAT HAVE NOT LAID DOWN THE FASTEST PASSES is a "BENEFIT"..........and if so.......TO WHO!!!
Myself and Pat have supported the ttt5 since it started and EVERY major rule change has affected us and we have made the changes that were necessary to race with the ttt5......and this is no different......I personally feel that this decision by the ttt5 to make this change was a knee jerk reaction to a bunch of THEORY,rumors and scuttlebutt that HAVE NOT been proven at the track......theory and REALITY are two vastly different things......and the reality of this situation is that the fastest "fogger" car and the fastest "plate car" are within .05 of a second of each other......IF THAT IS NOT PARITY........EXACTLY WHAT IS???
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68BLACKBIRD
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| 04/27/2007 7:10 PM |
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| (maintain parity)A nos plate system will be limited to one nitrous solenoid and one fuel solenoid.....and a fogger gets 2 of each!!.Is this PARITY??.Confused!..parity to me is one nitrous solenoid and one fuel solenoid (FOR ALL) in the class. |
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TTT5
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| 04/29/2007 10:21 AM |
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In a perfect world everything would always go the way we intended it to go. The reason for the rule adjustment is because we left ourselves open for someone's interpertation of the rule. Dual implies two. A Direct port/fogger system is a single system.
We can continue to beat this horse but this is in the best interest of the class/organization. The real problem is that we have racers that knowingly manipulate our rules to their advantage. If everyone did the the right thing we would not be having this issue. So don't fault the organization, look around at some of your fellow racers. They are the ones that caused this adjustment. Maybe you guys/girls could help police your fellow racers and this would not be and issue. Or we could stick our heads in the dirt and pretend that someone has not manpulated the rules for their own personal gain. We are in our sixth year and have always done what is in the best interest of parity.
We appreciate your support of the class. In the interest of fairness we always worked with the races. For and example when the vast majority of racers wanted an across the board penality for tall deck blocks.It would have been easy to just say ok. We did not do this ,we allowed and exception for the tall deck truck block. Even though this would slow down the tech process. Along with assuming that the racer in question was honest. This is just one example of working with the racres. We as racers will always make changes in pursuit of the winners circle. In closing I hope you can see the big picture and the reason for the change. Or do we close our eyes and let someone /others take money that could be going into your back pocket. Fair racing for everyone or onesided racing, you decide. As smart as you are with the nos this should only be a minor tuning issue for you and PM. |
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| 04/29/2007 2:11 PM |
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| TTT5- Check your e-mail. |
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Totenabigstick
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Ced,
I don't envy your job in the least because if one of your azzcheeks isn't getting chewed on then the other one is. A decision HAD to be made.....and SOMEONE had to make it....you were going to catch flack either way,.....but whats done is done....and after this I will not speak of it anymore.
I feel that this decision was NOT implemented because of a PERFORMANCE advantage of the 2 stage plate.....because OUR race results tell a different story...VERY CLOSE E.T's with a slight advantage in performance to the nozzle equipped cars....this decision was implemented because of some PETTY as well as PATHETIC E mailed "concerns" of some JEALOUS,UNDERACHIEVING,CRYBABY, HATERS that were just frustrated because of their own INABILITY to get their OWN car "UP TO PAR"....with that being said.......We have already set up the PLATE with ONLY two solenoids.....thats right!!!!...we are sticking with the plate...after all....its not the clubs that make the golfer great  |
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68BLACKBIRD
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| 04/30/2007 10:54 AM |
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Posted By AR on 04/29/2007 2:11 PM
TTT5- Check your e-mail.
That certain black firebird will continue deposit them checks!!!Watch Me. |
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| 04/30/2007 11:49 AM |
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Posted By 68BLACKBIRD on 04/30/2007 10:54 AM Posted By AR on 04/29/2007 2:11 PM
TTT5- Check your e-mail. That certain black firebird will continue deposit them checks!!!Watch Me.
Good Luck to you and your crew. It sucks when somebody cries and gets the rules changed on you. |
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Mr.Bill97607
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| 05/01/2007 4:09 PM |
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| McKinney has a plate and a fogger |
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Totenabigstick
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| 05/01/2007 4:31 PM |
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Posted By Mr.Bill97607 on 05/01/2007 4:09 PM
McKinney has a plate and a fogger
Was there a point???......or are you just making an observation??
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| 05/01/2007 9:40 PM |
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I do belive that would be a fact would be my guess.  |
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68BLACKBIRD
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| 05/02/2007 5:55 AM |
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Posted By big worm on 05/01/2007 9:40 PM I do belive that would be a fact would be my guess.
And what are You Haters talking about now??..Thay sell foggers at the hot rod shop If You need one (AND YOU WILL). |
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Totenabigstick
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Posted By big worm on 05/01/2007 9:40 PM I do belive that would be a fact would be my guess.
Well Big Worm.....here is a couple of FACTS that you didn't mention.....FACT..the fogger was put on that intake for another motor and has been capped for a couple of YEARS....FACT...that intake is bolted to a small bore PRODUCTION block engine that is without question the lowest budget motor in the class AS WELL AS ONE OF THE SMALLEST!!!....FACT...the snivling crybaby haters are no more going to slow that firebird down with their bellyaching than speed their OWN sub par performance up!!!....that firebird will STILL be a frontrunning car....even with one stage tied behind our backs.....because we are just that damn good....and although unpopular....that also is a FACT.
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| 05/02/2007 6:52 AM |
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That Bird needs to enjoy it while it last. The days of honoring yourself will soon be coming to an end.
And don't spend all that money in the bank yet. Because your mouth is writing checks your car and your ass won't be able to cash !
See you at the race ladies . |
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| 05/02/2007 6:59 AM |
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| Finally got some smack going on this dead message board. Yall keep it. It's startin to get good in here. MrBill, hows the turbo car comin? |
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| 05/02/2007 7:26 AM |
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Posted By Mr.Bill97607 on 05/02/2007 6:52 AM
That Bird needs to enjoy it while it last. The days of honoring yourself will soon be coming to an end.
And don't spend all that money in the bank yet. Because your mouth is writing checks your car and your ass won't be able to cash !
See you at the race ladies .
yea yea....TELL me all about it....you fellas havn't realized YET,.....but that firebird is like a smokin case of V.D......every time you think you got rid of it......IT COMES BACK BADDER THAN IT WAS BEFORE!!!
AND I DON'T KNOW JUST WHO YOU ARE CALLING "LADIES".....because last time I checked.....the LADIES were the ones using the "hair driers"
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68BLACKBIRD
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| 05/02/2007 8:08 AM |
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Posted By Mr.Bill97607 on 05/02/2007 6:52 AM
That Bird needs to enjoy it while it last. The days of honoring yourself will soon be coming to an end.
And don't spend all that money in the bank yet. Because your mouth is writing checks your car and your ass won't be able to cash !
See you at the race ladies .
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| 05/02/2007 9:52 AM |
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Bitch please give me something to hate on. That Fireturd of yours is not that damn special.
Sorry if my earlier statement was more than you can comprehend. I know the obvious things are hard for you to grasp like racing at the proper weight and not forgetting to hit the scales. There is a couple of examples for you.
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