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| 11/03/2008 10:56 AM |
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Let's get some ideas on what we want to discuss during the meeting, or what we would like to see changed?
This is NOT what we will get, just wanting to hear peoples opinions as to what we really need changed more than what we want! Let's be realistic!!  |
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| 11/03/2008 12:11 PM |
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| LSx powered cars to be the same weight as sbc powered cars, same weight breaks per cubic in as sbc. |
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 11/03/2008 1:20 PM |
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Whatever will get more cars in T/S needs to be a primary concern I would think. Personally, I would like to see what would happen if we tried a sportsman ladder. What can it hurt? The fastest cars are still going to be on top no matter what. It would however, give the slower cars a shot at making it past the first round occasionally.
Especially since there is such a big margin between #1 and #8 qualifier. In some races this year it was a full second. Pro ladders weren't designed for that kind of a field.
Of course then there is the big block debate, but I'm pretty sure that one will get beaten to death all on it's own at the meeting. I don't really care one way or the other on that one, Everyone is just going to have to hunt for more power in my opinion. I know I am.
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| 11/03/2008 2:02 PM |
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I'm building a car for one of theese classes but haven't decided which one yet. It looks like the TS class needs to alow down a little or help ES pick up with less weight. The radial tire has made a huge difference in the class this year so maybe that needs to be changed. There seems to be some outlaw 8.5 tire classes popping up in other parts of the country. Then there is the 9" tire as a possibility.
ES seems to have a stable group of cars that always put on a good show. Making this class lighter would increase the spred between the two classes.
To keep the tracks interested the classes should be farther apart. Having an 8 car field in one class where the top two could qualify for the other is not good for either class. Maybe the tire could make this margin without changing peoples combos and cost minimal $.
Any other opinions?
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Pro Street D
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| 11/03/2008 3:13 PM |
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| I would like to have wheelie bars in true street. I get tired of changing oil pans. Which i know we will not get them. I thnik in ture street add 100 lbs to everyone. Then if you win three races add 50 lbs. Now for the big blocks no one has a stable ground to stand on due to the fact that Roys car ran a 40. Other than that I really think the rules are good in both classes. If the slower guys are going to complain about they cant keep up or afford to keep up and the class is out of hand maybe they should seek other options. Cause we all have to remember this is a heads up class not bracket racing |
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 11/03/2008 5:02 PM |
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Posted By Pro Street D on 11/03/2008 3:13 PM
I would like to have wheelie bars in true street. I get tired of changing oil pans. Which i know we will not get them. I thnik in ture street add 100 lbs to everyone. Then if you win three races add 50 lbs. Now for the big blocks no one has a stable ground to stand on due to the fact that Roys car ran a 40. Other than that I really think the rules are good in both classes. If the slower guys are going to complain about they cant keep up or afford to keep up and the class is out of hand maybe they should seek other options. Cause we all have to remember this is a heads up class not bracket racing
Of course you know by saying that someone is just going to tell you to tune the chassis. And don't worry about the wheelie bars!!! But yeah, pans and headers get expensive real fast!
I agree about the big block deal, but you know full well it will come up. I know I'm going power hunting this winter and everybody else should too.
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 11/03/2008 5:07 PM |
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Posted By dbeau2 on 11/03/2008 2:02 PM
I'm building a car for one of theese classes but haven't decided which one yet. It looks like the TS class needs to alow down a little or help ES pick up with less weight. The radial tire has made a huge difference in the class this year so maybe that needs to be changed. There seems to be some outlaw 8.5 tire classes popping up in other parts of the country. Then there is the 9" tire as a possibility.
ES seems to have a stable group of cars that always put on a good show. Making this class lighter would increase the spred between the two classes.
To keep the tracks interested the classes should be farther apart. Having an 8 car field in one class where the top two could qualify for the other is not good for either class. Maybe the tire could make this margin without changing peoples combos and cost minimal $.
Any other opinions?
Heck, I think they ought to make both classes run drag radials. Awful lot of Extreme type drag radial cars out there running 5.1xx and faster times. I also think they should open up an unlimited drag radial class. (L/S power plant cars on radials like Wolfes car.) In a deal like that a lot of the KOTH guys that are not up to speed over there could get in on the radial class. Since a lot of them are up in arms over the BB Twin Turbo deal.
Just go all radial, like a lot of the organizations around the country. But thats just my .02
As far as the 8.5 class goes that's a possibility too, but there are 8.5 cars running 5.40's already also. Most have foggers, but they are out there.
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| 11/03/2008 7:01 PM |
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I think the TS rules are pretty good as they stand. Adding 100# to everyone in TS may level the playing field but it may also screw up the playing field. There needs to be a definitive gap between TS and ES and adding the weight may help keep the gap more defined.
Keeping the rules constant with some fine-tuning may allow both classes to flourish and increase the car count. Any rule changes need to be thought through very carefully, some rule changes don't have as much of a dollar impact as other rule changes. I realize that TS is a heads-up class but it needs to remain 'relatively economical' and FUN. Remove or drastically diminish one of those two variables and it drives people away.
I honestly think that starting the Friday night shows a little earlier would help. Running 5 rounds in TS and 6 rounds in ES in less than 5 hours doesn't do TTT5 justice, for the fans or the racers. Start the show 30 minutes earlier and run the rounds when called. I realize that the TnT guys may get bent out of shape but the track can run our maximum of 24 cars when we're called and then continue with the TnT.
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 11/03/2008 7:46 PM |
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| Only one problem with adding weight. Some cars are already at the verge of their sfi spec with the current weight. If you add weight, and they tag the penalty for winning 3 races on top of that, those cars will be out of sfi specs. |
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Pro Street D
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| 11/03/2008 8:44 PM |
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Posted By Tangerine_Stripes on 11/03/2008 7:46 PM
Only one problem with adding weight. Some cars are already at the verge of their sfi spec with the current weight. If you add weight, and they tag the penalty for winning 3 races on top of that, those cars will be out of sfi specs.
Yeah but that has nothing to due with TTT5. The track is the ones that have to enforce that. Some cars are already out of there sfi specs. in both classes already. |
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| 11/04/2008 7:15 AM |
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| Who are the T/S committee members? |
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 11/04/2008 7:38 AM |
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Posted By Pro Street D on 11/03/2008 8:44 PM Posted By Tangerine_Stripes on 11/03/2008 7:46 PM
Only one problem with adding weight. Some cars are already at the verge of their sfi spec with the current weight. If you add weight, and they tag the penalty for winning 3 races on top of that, those cars will be out of sfi specs. Yeah but that has nothing to due with TTT5. The track is the ones that have to enforce that. Some cars are already out of there sfi specs. in both classes already.
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Small-block
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| 11/04/2008 10:07 AM |
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Posted By dry sweep on 11/04/2008 7:15 AM
Who are the T/S committee members?
I believe it is Unc & Joe Torres, maybe? |
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Pro Street D
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| 11/04/2008 4:53 PM |
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| I don't think we really have one for TS anymore. |
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| 11/05/2008 4:27 PM |
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I know it doesnt matter cause im not a true street guy anymore but man I miss the days when the true street cars ran 5.80s. Its hard to believe they are only 2 tenths away from the extreme street record now!
I hate to say it but I think seeing cars run 5.30's and 5.40's in true street drives alot of people away from the class! I know a handful of people have really done there homework but still.... True Street was supposed to be the beginner class for local heads up racing. And I think your average guy sees cars running those numbers and thinks to himself, they are out of my league! And you cant blame them.
I think something needs to change to slow the class down a little! Maybe limit the pills in the plate? Put everybody on a 275/60 BFG? 
As far as extreme street goes there was 19 or 20 cars at the last race.... Leave it alone! |
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Boostedgt
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| 11/05/2008 5:00 PM |
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| I as well as many other turbo application owners would like to see the rules changed in T/S and E/S regarding turbo cars. I've done plenty of research and can plead my case with no problem. -Thanks |
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 11/05/2008 5:10 PM |
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Posted By Boostedgt on 11/05/2008 5:00 PM
I as well as many other turbo application owners would like to see the rules changed in T/S and E/S regarding turbo cars. I've done plenty of research and can plead my case with no problem. -Thanks
I don't think you will get much of an argument on turbo sizing in T/S. There is just no possible way for a 76 with an air to air to run those kind of times. The only car I have seen run a 5.50 or faster with a 76 was a Buick GN, but that car also weighed 2760 lbs with driver. A far cry from 3200+
I'll see if I can't dig up the vid, if I still have it on my PC. |
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 11/05/2008 5:24 PM |
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I wish it hadn't gotten so out of hand either, but the adoption of the radial is what did it. Once the learning curve starts to get figured out, radial cars flat out fly.
A pill size limit is a good idea, but then again that would be a PITA to police.
Personally, I'd like to see you Extreme street guys on radials too. Lots of cars built to the same specs as you guys running close to the four second zone. A few are in it.
Oh and as far as being 2 tenths from Extreme, I'd be willing to bet it narrows even more next year. Simply because everybody is stepping up their program....considerably. |
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| 11/05/2008 8:25 PM |
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| I don't think it is far to put any limits as far pills or anything. If you do that who will check it because every plate uses different size pills for there ratings. Also there is not a heads up class that entry level or cheap. Some guys just give up and stop because they don't want to test all the time or try different things. |
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| 11/05/2008 8:32 PM |
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| true street reps. are Joe Torres and Casey Braswell |
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