WS6
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| 09/27/2008 3:55 PM |
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I know we don't want to be sitting around arguing for hours over rules and this and that, while we are all on some kind of schedules.
My question is.............
We are the only 4th gen racing (That is ever, and for the past 4 years)
Thus we are the only LS1 in the class.
Rules state that LS1s have to weigh 100 more lbs over SBC. (I am sure it is because of the valve angle and improved head flow. As you can see for the past 4 years we have not won 1 single time. This of coarse is not anyones fault but our own but when you have a class of SBCs and SBFs that have amazing amounts of money in them to make the horsepower there really is no advantage to having 15 degree heads from the factory. As everyone here can see there are atleast 4-5 cars with 125mph or over. That is the power and we have not hit 125 ever, not one time. So why you going to penelize someone an extra 100lbs that doesn't even have the power the other small blocks do. 100lbs is alot when you consider that most everyone racing is within .2 of each other. The only reason we are competetive is becuase we 60ft better then alot of people and that I pull down some half way descent lights. I want to make this rule go away for next year. Give us our 100lbs that we deserve to make it more realistic. Add the 100lbs to anyone comeing in with lower then 15degree after market heads. If they are stock valve angle heads then we should be same weight as the rest of the small blocks. If we can get an answer out of the committee before the meeting, this will be one less thing that will have to get discussed.
You guys do want a bigger field correct? If you are wanting to see more 4th gens racing you are going to have to be alittle more forgiving.......I mean then again do any of the people on this board know of a car around here that has a single stage LS1 running any faster then we are? It is not like you are opening up the world here by lowering the weight to what it should have always been to start with???????????????????????? I know of 3 other F-bodies that want to come out and race next year. I am sure they will either which way this rule goes but they are far back in the pack when it comes to experiece and Test and Tune. All of use know it takes awhile to get this down. |
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12.1:1 hydrolic roller 408. GM carb style intake with a speedtec plate. 317 stock casting heads with some porting. 1/2 in head studs. Rossler Glide with Chance converter. Fab 9in with all the light weight stuff in it. |
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Pinhead Racing
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| 09/27/2008 7:05 PM |
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| WS6, I agree with you on the 100# rule. We are building a 4th gen tans am now and have been not looking forward to the extra 100#. |
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 09/27/2008 7:11 PM |
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I must say, that is a very convincing argument and worth voting on at the meeting. I know you would have my support...especially after the last set of e.t. record breaking runs at Northstar I'm pretty sure there will be some cussing, and discussing. I think I remember at last years meeting when they announced they were going to allow the Drag radial tires, I said to Jason Walden and a couple others....well now you will see the big blocks come around. And eventually they have started to.
I have another idea as well if you want car counts to increase. Get away from the Pro Ladder system. It will only benefit the slower guys and will hurt absolutely no one. Instead of the dead last qualifier facing the number one qualifier first round, they would face number four if it were on a Sportsman ladder. At least the slower cars would maybe have a chance at getting past the first round. And number five would be a much closer race for number one than number eight, so actually the racing should be better. So it's a win-win. The spectators see closer races, and at least the guys at the bottom can drill somebody on the tree and make it a round once in a while.
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Small-block
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| 09/28/2008 6:16 AM |
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TTT5
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| 09/28/2008 6:26 PM |
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On another board you advised that you were going to go over your program this winter and it would make more horsepower. An lets face it valve angle = HP. At the current time we do not forsee any change for LS style heads.
An in reference to running a sportsman ladder. We tried that a few years ago and guys would sandbag to pick their position. This was in an effort to take the easiest path to the finals. Running a Pro Ladder helps in stopping the sandbagging. Also almost all heads up classes run a Pro Ladder. |
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Pro Street D
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| 09/28/2008 7:25 PM |
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Posted By Tangerine_Stripes on 09/27/2008 7:11 PM
I think I remember at last years meeting when they announced they were going to allow the Drag radial tires, I said to Jason Walden and a couple others....well now you will see the big blocks come around. And eventually they have started to.
Its funny how people start saying its a big block class when the past 6 years it has been a small block class. All i can say is the times have changed and there is more to come. |
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 09/28/2008 8:36 PM |
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Posted By Pro Street D on 09/28/2008 7:25 PM Posted By Tangerine_Stripes on 09/27/2008 7:11 PM
I think I remember at last years meeting when they announced they were going to allow the Drag radial tires, I said to Jason Walden and a couple others....well now you will see the big blocks come around. And eventually they have started to.
Its funny how people start saying its a big block class when the past 6 years it has been a small block class. All i can say is the times have changed and there is more to come. Don't get me wrong, I am by no means taking anything away from you guys....you have flat out tested and tested and made some huge advances this year. But I think you would agree the car works much better on the radials. Just as predicted by more than a few people. I mean if Artis Houston's can run 7.80's with a combo nearly identical to yours except he is using a fogger instead of a plate. I don't think anyone is doubting a big block can dominate the class. |
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 09/28/2008 8:38 PM |
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Posted By TTT5 on 09/28/2008 6:26 PM
On another board you advised that you were going to go over your program this winter and it would make more horsepower. An lets face it valve angle = HP. At the current time we do not forsee any change for LS style heads.
An in reference to running a sportsman ladder. We tried that a few years ago and guys would sandbag to pick their position. This was in an effort to take the easiest path to the finals. Running a Pro Ladder helps in stopping the sandbagging. Also almost all heads up classes run a Pro Ladder.
So in other words the group cannot vote it in? It is decided for us? I thought that's why we got to vote on things?
Besides that, what's to stop a guy that needs to oust the number one qualifier in the first round to win the championship from qualifying dead last and taking him out in round one? You going to sit there and tell me that qualifying strategy is anything different than sandbagging? No it isn't.
I mean not all rules that are designed to increase car count work, so why not try other things? |
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Pro Street D
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| 09/28/2008 9:45 PM |
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| Artis Houston car is was different he has a sheet metal intake, 2 or 3 kits, and i believe he as 2 fours. The tires has made the big difference in everyones car with out the tires everyone would still be around the same as last year. I just cant wait to see who wants to added weight to the big block cars now. |
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 09/29/2008 6:38 AM |
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It does have a fogger with a plate, but it's a single dominator, cast intake with a 522. Main reason I was making the comparison is the tires though. It's a 275 limited class. It's really amazing how much more power these tires will hold than the old 28 x 11.50 ET Streets.
I personally don't think you should have any weight added for having your crap together. I don't want to see this class turn into another KOTH nightmare, just because one guy is faster right now than everybody else. Nobody asked for changes when the blue nova was 2/10 faster.I myself am at the point of deciding whether to change to a big block or just change the top end on mine to get more power. It's way way too early to change the rules because somebody has done their homework. And congrats on the new ET record! Can't wait to see if it drops again on the 17th!
But yes, I'm with you, can't wait to see who already wants to add weight. You know it will come up.
Atris' motor (the last pic I have anyway, from Dec of 07)
Think it went a .98 with this one...that's haulin on a 275regardless of the combo! |
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 09/29/2008 9:27 AM |
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| You know, if they were to add 100 lbs, that would put your car at requiring to be 3500. And your car is almost there anyway. Then if you win three races that's another 100 lbs. That puts you at the max for the sfi spec. Even if you had a 25.4 or 25.5, So I don't really think they would try to get it that close. Everybody else is just going to have to step up their program. |
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Blind
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| 09/30/2008 7:56 AM |
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| Looking at the whole senario, why would you want to tack on a winner 100# after 3 winnings, if he is a big block, that would mean that the whole big block group need to gain 100# with him. What good for the winner is good for the ones that are still struggling to get there. I guess you would tack this weight on a small block the same way??? Just not right for a guy that has done his home work and every one else hasn't even open the book yet to study. Potential racer for next year. They call me Blind, but I am seeing how things are operated. |
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Unc
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| 09/30/2008 8:08 AM |
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Posted By Blind on 09/30/2008 7:56 AM
Looking at the whole senario, why would you want to tack on a winner 100# after 3 winnings, if he is a big block, that would mean that the whole big block group need to gain 100# with him. What good for the winner is good for the ones that are still struggling to get there. I guess you would tack this weight on a small block the same way??? Just not right for a guy that has done his home work and every one else hasn't even open the book yet to study. Potential racer for next year. They call me Blind, but I am seeing how things are operated.
Only the car that wins the 3 races has to add the 100 #'s, not all of them.
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