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Turbostang
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| 02/06/2007 9:28 AM |
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Ok, Here it is. As before, in the old forum, we have a few simple guidelines to go by.
No porn links, pictures, avatars of any kind will be tolerated. This site is intended for RACING and GENERAL DISCUSSION.
Also, You can have meaningful discussion about rules, racing etc. No personal attacks on any member, comittee, or TTT5 will be tolerated. If you have a problem or a complaint, contact me or TTT5 and we'll get it straightened out. |
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badgoldnova
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| 03/20/2008 1:57 AM |
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| how come it is rules seem to change at any time ? 405 heads are 23 deg , thats how this class started, now a 405 head has to add 100 pounds , a 385 head, a bodix head or dart heads all cost about the same price , the rule has allways been you must have a 23 deg head, whats the deal ? hell a alm block cnc block has more going for it then a 405 head dose, you see 140 pounds right off the front of a car would help more than 20 more cfm . what should we add to a alm block ? cost a hole lot more than a 405 head, and not many can aford a alm block . hell if a 405 head is that bad then add a 100 pounds if it wins three races , like you do to roys car , hell he has alot less than most cars has . i just cant see myself trying to run this class because someone did not buy a set of 405 heads . instead he got 385 heads , and has a alm block . by the way who in the hell would know what a 405 heads is to a 385 head ? hell just mill all the stuff off and who would know what head it is ? just like the ford with the pont motor in it 520 cubic inch running at small block rules all year . jst make it 23 deg headed big blocks - thats should be it because its not a money thing anyhows , they all cost the same . my two cents . |
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Turbostang
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| 03/20/2008 6:29 AM |
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Not sure why this post is here, but I'll explain as it was explained to me.
Aluminum block? Just the simple addition of an aluminum block will gain NO power. If it does, it's not a measurable amount. Yes, it weighs less - but there are still minimum weights to meet, not a ballast for front vs. rear. If they meet the weight requirements, then it's legal. Right?
On the 405's, if someone has to go so far to mill the ID off of the head, they are sorry anyways. There arealways cheaters, there will always be cheaters... and there is always someone willing to turn them in. So, having said that, and as said in the past - if someone is caught cheating - they won't be allowed back for at least the rest of the season and maybe longer.
"like you do to Roy's car?" - Roy can speak for himself I am pretty sure of it. He still wins and still goes rounds. So, apparently iit (the weight) didn't do much to them. Would you come to a race knowing that you will NOT have a chance at winning because the same 2 or 3 cars win every time?
Last but not least, some of this was discussed at the meeting, and if it wasn't - it surely could have been. Why wasn't this brought up then? Not at the meeting? |
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badgoldnova
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| 03/20/2008 11:28 AM |
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| the alm block has no power over a steal block your so wright . but it would have more if you took a 140 pounds off of a front of a car , not only 140 pounds should be over a tenth just by the 140 pounds , dont realy know what was up in the meeting was not there . but do know this 405 rule just came out about a month ago . there still 23 deg heads, thats what this class is about a 23 deg head, they cost the same if not cheeper then some of the other heads .there again a tall deck block cost the same as a short deck block, but yea add 50 pounds to that there could be lots more power there , fine . i realy think alm blocks should not be aloud, becauese everone cant get one sponsor to them, because they own a club . and the alm block was not aloud when this club started. add the 140 pounds back to that car and it should be over 3300 pounds . 140 pounds off the front dose help a hole lot on a small tire car , hands down it helps on bite of the car . never said roy could not talk for himself, nor was i talking for roy ,just made a statement . used his car in my statement . so dont go there . by the way how long will the ford be kicked out for lieing about his motor size ? thought not .and the little car in roys class who ran two stages one night to win ? by the way 405 heads look the vary same as a 385 head, so who and how would you tell me what im running , not that i would do that and not going to do it , but dont wait till the last min and let someone buy a set and change a rule ,or add the rule 405 add 100 pounds .thats just another 23 headed motor thats all it is ,, 23 is the rule , and no im not going to run with yall anyways , im not puting 3500 pounds to anyones car , not only it would not be legal with out a 25/1 sticker , go to the rule book and look . im not starting a shit storm here, im just saying its bs one guy gets the best , and the hell with the others . oh yea the one with the alm block dont make many races anyhow, and not that fast anyhows . so lets go to something else . |
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Turbostang
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| 03/20/2008 12:01 PM |
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Tony? I am not sure where you are going with the accusations of who cheated and who didn't or who has an aluminum block and who doesn't. . If someone was a known cheater, all that has to be done is - bring it to our attention, pay the protest fee, and be done with it. IF they are guilty, the don't come back for the rest of the season.. if they are not guilty, they get your protest money and the satisfaction of you (or anyone else) hoping they were cheating.
....You can remove the 140 lbs from the front of a car, not just with a block. The problem is, that the car STILL HAS TO MEET MINIMUM WEIGHT. So, you weigh 3,300 lbs, subtract 140lbs from the 3,300 because you have an aluminum block and you weigh 3,160. Not legal. ADD the weight back and you weigh 3,300. Where's the advantage and the ET gain there? You guessed it, there isn't (not directly at least). The only real advantage to the block is the ability to maintian or close to maintaining perfect ballast. So, if I use a lighter, more expensive wheel, A arms, radiator etc... does that mean those cars should be penalized as well? ... since they are removing weight from the front of the car and all..
...and about the meeting, you hit the nail on the head - you weren't there. That's the importance of bieng there - to voice your opinion, BEFORE the rules are put in place - not AFTER.
Also, I am not sure which class you are talking about - but aluminum blocks are not allowed in T/S unless it's OEM.
The "ford" won't be kicked out, because there wasn't a rule in place to accomodate a Pontiac powered anything. Under standard terms - Pontiacs don't really have a definition between small block and big block. So, technically he wasn't breaking any rules. Now, weights vs. displacement are in place and that won't happen again.
If you are not starting a shit storm here, then what is it? Why even worry about it if you aren't racing with us anyhow?
Believe me, I am all for arguiing your point if you have a valid argument - but this argument over the block is pooey. The heads, I am not totally familiar with anyways...and you know as good as I do, not everything can be teched 100% - and we simply put, have to take a scouts honor. But, like I said before - if there's a cheater, there's someone in the other lane willing to turn them in! You never know, it might be someone who knows your machinist, the guy you got the heads from, or maybe the dealer you got the gaskets from... |
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