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Posted By strych9 on 11/03/2009 5:34 AM
The jet limit is not a true limitation of hp. The same jet can easily produce +- 100 hp. There are so so so many factors that go into what you will get from a certain jet.
My tune-up is custom and you will have a hard time telling me what HP my certain jet size produces. I can't even tell you that because I don't even know, and don't care. I look at the plugs and the time slip.
UNC, as you have stated, we already have limitations in place and if you push them and make a mistake, we are back at the engine shop. But it is a risk. Look at how many races I won this year. Look at how many I lost. Look at how many I missed. If that ain't a limit I don't know what is.
No car dominated any of the classes. The BBC combinations were on average what one tenth ahead? BBC averaged teens, all the SBC or SBF cars from Houston already have teens on board as soon as they figure the tune-up out, ask any of them. Give them something and with a little work they will be capable of 5.0's or better.
Black Sunshine recently went 4.82 in Evaldale with a nitrous SBF.
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Blacksunshine can run a 4.82 @ 2860 with 2 kits 2 carbs and yates heads and the BB nitrous car in that class run 4.60's. Great example. Do you want to compare Kenjo's single turbo car to an E/S turbo next?
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| 11/03/2009 7:33 AM |
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Point is it can be done.
The question is what do the small blocks need to keep up with the current BBC combination. There are more than enough options. What are they?
Same for the turbo guys, what is it that you need? There are more than enough options.
I don't beleive we are to the point of having to add additional limits to the BBC.
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| 11/03/2009 8:00 AM |
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Posted By Unc on 11/02/2009 9:07 PM Posted By maverick on 11/02/2009 8:55 PM
The highest flowing true 88mm... Find me a true 88mm that makes 1650hp. Until then, stop talking out of your ass. You aren't adding anything constructive to this conversation. THANKS.
A PT-98/88 won't make 1650 hp?
From my research the 88/98 will make 1650 easy. I guarantee you, I can't get 1650 out of my bucket of bolts under todays current rules. a true 88 gets to come in at 3250.
I like how you say it will make 1650 "easy". Those turbos are barely even "rated" to 1600 and I've never seen a car reach the rated horsepower limit on a turbo. I don't buy your bucket of bolts statement for a second... As John stated, he was spinning the shit out of the turbo just to go a 5.2x @ 3350. You Big block nitrous guys can tone your setup down and coast to a 5.2x under the present rules. 5.0x or 5.1x in a turbo car? Not with the current rules.
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| 11/03/2009 8:01 AM |
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| Small block consideration, to making horsepower, has its limit. I still feel a start is with a 2nd kit, or the weight loss. Let them pick their own posion. Easy to police. Let the big block continue on what they are doing. If they should catch up be happy, no more crying from the small block clan. All I see when the smoke clear, there will more engines in the machine shop, than at the track. |
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From my research the 88/98 will make 1650 easy. I guarantee you, I can't get 1650 out of my bucket of bolts under todays current rules. a true 88 gets to come in at 3250.
I like how you say it will make 1650 "easy". Those turbos are barely even "rated" to 1600 and I've never seen a car reach the rated horsepower limit on a turbo. I don't buy your bucket of bolts statement for a second... As John stated, he was spinning the shit out of the turbo just to go a 5.2x @ 3350. You Big block nitrous guys can tone your setup down and coast to a 5.2x under the present rules. 5.0x or 5.1x in a turbo car? Not with the current rules.
Ben has been a 5.25 @ 3250 with a true 88 with an air to air with a 1.35 60'.
How do you think the BB guys are getting it done?
It is sure not with 1.3x 60's.
Show me a turbo car in this class that has been a 1.22 or 1.21 60' because that what the BB guys that go 5.0's and 4.99 are doing.
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| 11/03/2009 8:56 AM |
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Posted By maverick on 11/03/2009 8:44 AM
From my research the 88/98 will make 1650 easy. I guarantee you, I can't get 1650 out of my bucket of bolts under todays current rules. a true 88 gets to come in at 3250.
I like how you say it will make 1650 "easy". Those turbos are barely even "rated" to 1600 and I've never seen a car reach the rated horsepower limit on a turbo. I don't buy your bucket of bolts statement for a second... As John stated, he was spinning the shit out of the turbo just to go a 5.2x @ 3350. You Big block nitrous guys can tone your setup down and coast to a 5.2x under the present rules. 5.0x or 5.1x in a turbo car? Not with the current rules.
Ben has been a 5.25 @ 3250 with a true 88 with an air to air with a 1.35 60'.
How do you think the BB guys are getting it done?
It is sure not with 1.3x 60's.
Show me a turbo car in this class that has been a 1.22 or 1.21 60' because that what the BB guys that go 5.0's and 4.99 are doing.
So now its all because the nitrous cars out 60' the turbo cars is why they are going three tenths faster? Wow its all so clear now. |
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| 11/03/2009 10:09 AM |
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So now its all because the nitrous cars out 60' the turbo cars is why they are going three tenths faster? Wow its all so clear now.
John has been 5.2X 139.8 @ 3350.
Unc has been a 5.12 @ 140.6 and 5.07 @141.3 all @3340
Now you tell me why a turbo car has not been a 5.1X or 5.0
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| 11/03/2009 10:43 AM |
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Posted By maverick on 11/03/2009 10:09 AM
So now its all because the nitrous cars out 60' the turbo cars is why they are going three tenths faster? Wow its all so clear now.
John has been 5.2X 139.8 @ 3350.
Unc has been a 5.12 @ 140.6 and 5.07 @141.3 all @3340
Now you tell me why a turbo car has not been a 5.1X or 5.0
Because we are limited to a 88mm turbo @ 3350.
And big blocks have no limitations @ 3350. I thought we already discussed this...
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| 11/03/2009 10:48 AM |
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Look what I found... It appears you know a small block true 88mm has no chance either...
Posted By maverick
I still plan on making a few more races this year with my current small block combo but I'm trying to make plans for next year. If the rules for the turbo are going to stay the same I'm going to build a BBC (540) with an 88mm (106mm clipped to 88mm) @ 3350 this should make a little more power than the old small block.
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| 11/03/2009 11:06 AM |
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Posted By Boostedgt on 11/03/2009 10:43 AM Posted By maverick on 11/03/2009 10:09 AM
So now its all because the nitrous cars out 60' the turbo cars is why they are going three tenths faster? Wow its all so clear now. John has been 5.2X 139.8 @ 3350. Unc has been a 5.12 @ 140.6 and 5.07 @141.3 all @3340 Now you tell me why a turbo car has not been a 5.1X or 5.0
Because we are limited to a 88mm turbo @ 3350.
And big blocks have no limitations @ 3350. I thought we already discussed this...
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| 11/03/2009 11:36 AM |
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Posted By maverick on 11/03/2009 11:06 AM Posted By Boostedgt on 11/03/2009 10:43 AM Posted By maverick on 11/03/2009 10:09 AM
So now its all because the nitrous cars out 60' the turbo cars is why they are going three tenths faster? Wow its all so clear now. John has been 5.2X 139.8 @ 3350. Unc has been a 5.12 @ 140.6 and 5.07 @141.3 all @3340 Now you tell me why a turbo car has not been a 5.1X or 5.0 Because we are limited to a 88mm turbo @ 3350. And big blocks have no limitations @ 3350. I thought we already discussed this...
I guess we discussed it but I guess you still don't get it
Okie dokie. I don't get it along with the rest of the turbo guys that are saying the same thing I am saying. We all don't get it!
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Posted By Pro Street D on 11/01/2009 1:48 PM
I think the True Street guys should get a bigger turbo maybe a 80mm. This is the reason. Clifton has busted his butt for the past two years been at pretty much every race and is still pretty much a .10 off the small block nitrous guys. Yeah he ran a .53 the last race one time but other than that he has been running .60 and up when the other small blocks are running low .50s. Maybe if you give the turbo guys an 80mm they can run with the small blocks at every race or be closer to them. Just a thought maybe TTT5 will look into it.
I will have to agree. The 5.53 was a fluke. The air/fuel was WHOA lean on that pass. We hadn't factored in the cooler air (good air UNC was talking about). We pulled some timing out for the rest of the night until the final round. When I raced Bein(spl?) in the final, we added the timing back in just to give it everything we had.....well a driver side gasket, head, and a turbo (over spun and trashed the bearings again) later, we went out in breakage. We can only push and push so much. An 80mm would help us compete with the top dogs. If the 80mm starts running the class like the small blocks, add 100 lbs. Sounds easy??? |
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| 11/03/2009 2:01 PM |
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| I have a question about Turbos. How many cars have been a 4.99 to a 5.04 with a true 88mm turbo on a small block on true 10.5s at legal weight for our class. And not some fluke test hit or he said she said. Has it been done several times at a RACE? |
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| 11/03/2009 2:07 PM |
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| According to the 2 threads on YB about it...nobody has done it with a true 88mm. |
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| 11/03/2009 2:10 PM |
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Posted By pipelineexpress on 11/03/2009 2:01 PM
I have a question about Turbos. How many cars have been a 4.99 to a 5.04 with a true 88mm turbo on a small block on true 10.5s at legal weight for our class. And not some fluke test hit or he said she said. Has it been done several times at a RACE?
I dont know of anybody in TEXAS doing it.. especially on a regular basis... I belive the only ET's in that range are with reduced 98's ect... there might be a couple of hail mary passes floating around out there in the low 5'0s with a true 88mm but they are certainly the exception not the norm... |
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| 11/03/2009 2:47 PM |
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Posted By pipelineexpress on 11/03/2009 2:01 PM
I have a question about Turbos. How many cars have been a 4.99 to a 5.04 with a true 88mm turbo on a small block on true 10.5s at legal weight for our class. And not some fluke test hit or he said she said. Has it been done several times at a RACE?
I have searched and searched for that answer and I can't find any. |
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| 11/03/2009 3:29 PM |
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Posted By pipelineexpress on 11/03/2009 2:01 PM
I have a question about Turbos. How many cars have been a 4.99 to a 5.04 with a true 88mm turbo on a small block on true 10.5s at legal weight for our class. And not some fluke test hit or he said she said. Has it been done several times at a RACE?
Who has tried?
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| 11/03/2009 3:42 PM |
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Posted By maverick on 11/03/2009 3:29 PM
Who has tried?
Pretty much all of the NMRA Drag Radial racers who run turbos (@ 3200#)
Kolivas went 5.19 @ 3350#
Joey Bridge with Bridge Racing went 5.19 @ 3200#
Sean Lyons went 5.16 (don't know his weight but he's an NMRA racer)
Need more?
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| 11/03/2009 3:57 PM |
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Posted By BenBoosted on 11/03/2009 3:42 PM Posted By maverick on 11/03/2009 3:29 PM
Who has tried?
Pretty much all of the NMRA Drag Radial racers who run turbos (@ 3200#) Kolivas went 5.19 @ 3350# Joey Bridge with Bridge Racing went 5.19 @ 3200# Sean Lyons went 5.16 (don't know his weight but he's an NMRA racer) Need more?
On BFG drag radial?
Kind of hard to compare that tire to a 29.5 slick.
But I think you would agree they would be much faster on a M/T.
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Kolivas runs an 85mm turbo. BFG's on top of that.
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