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| 10/27/2009 11:52 AM |
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If anyone has any suggestions or legitimate complaints about the rules for last season, now is the time to have them heard.
the rules committee will be meeting soon to discuss possible changes for next year to keep a level playing field in both classes while tying to advance the performance.
if you do not want to voice your concerns or ideas on an open forum, i understand. you can pm me on centexhotrods.com or on yellowbullit.com
or call me @ 512-771-5257 and leave a message.
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 10/27/2009 2:01 PM |
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I'll throw one out there John. With some of the stuff I've seen floating around about it, I was just wondering.......
Would this be considered legal in a 4150 limited class application? Even though it flows more than 1000 cfm it still has a 4150 flange. Looks like it may have some good potential.
(and I saw you were checking it out)
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Pro Street D
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| 10/27/2009 2:07 PM |
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I really think the pills for the big inch big blocks needs to be changed. This year was really a big wasit of money for me running True Street. I never complained or asked for anything all year long. I just sit back and took my butt beating all year long to make all of the others happy. Me and Bud worked our butts off tring everything we could think of to try and run fast. I have tried over 8 different torque converters, 5 different sets of gears, changed all of the suspension front and rear, and even a different transmission. I really didn't even was to go to the last couple of races due to I already new the out come, but I showed up to support TTT5 and hope maybe the committee would have there eyes open and see that the pills are not going to work out the way they are right now. Sorry for the long post just wanted to give my .02.
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punisher#1
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| 10/27/2009 2:15 PM |
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i hear you on the pill size. this will be discussed.
and david about the carb, i would say no it will not be legal for true street so don't go out and buy one unless it's for me. |
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Pro Street D
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| 10/27/2009 2:37 PM |
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| I wouldn't think it would leagal for the fact in True Street the max tb is 90mm and that has a 95mm tb blade. Then the efi guys would want bigger ones to make it far. |
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supernova
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| 10/27/2009 5:29 PM |
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| Hey don't forget about the after markat tall deck block for true street. You guy's can check engine size now so what does the block have to do with it. |
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| 10/27/2009 5:38 PM |
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I don't run true street and people are going to talk shit so go right ahead, I don't give 2 shit's.
I feel T/S should be able to run a 4500 carb, no pill limited, and the 100# raised runner rule should be pitched.
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michaelts71
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| 10/27/2009 6:10 PM |
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Posted By lbt on 10/27/2009 5:38 PM
I don't run true street and people are going to talk shit so go right ahead, I don't give 2 shit's.
I feel T/S should be able to run a 4500 carb, no pill limited, and the 100# raised runner rule should be pitched.
Just my .2 cents
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They had that class up in Oklahoma, it was called Modified Street.... Only thing was you could run a 28-10.5 instead of the radials. At there big money race one guy went 5.14 with a plate!
Class only lasted one year... Its already had the knife pulled on next year! |
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Pro Street D
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| 10/27/2009 6:25 PM |
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| Mikey the car you are talking about didn't have a true single stage plate like we have to run. He also had a all aluminum 632. The main reason the class folded it due to some of the rules the only one I didn't like is they wouldn't allow a single entry speedtech plate. Now True street don't need the 4500 carb. that is what will keep us from running faster than what we do. The 100lb for raised runner heads should be kept in place. A small block with a raised runner head will out perfrom a "TRUE" 23 degree head any day of the week. The only thing I do agree with you on lbt is the pill thing or they just need to put everyone on the same size and let the weight be the difference. |
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 10/27/2009 6:27 PM |
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Hey D, not trying to be a smartass at all, just asking. Do you think taking the big inch motors up to a .078 will pick them up that much? I mean it's just going from a .073 to an .078. The only reason I ask is the Bien Bro's went 5.47 with a 522 and a .078 pill,on their second trip out with the new combo.
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lbt
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| 10/27/2009 6:53 PM |
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Posted By Pro Street D on 10/27/2009 6:25 PM
Mikey the car you are talking about didn't have a true single stage plate like we have to run. He also had a all aluminum 632. The main reason the class folded it due to some of the rules the only one I didn't like is they wouldn't allow a single entry speedtech plate. Now True street don't need the 4500 carb. that is what will keep us from running faster than what we do. The 100lb for raised runner heads should be kept in place. A small block with a raised runner head will out perfrom a "TRUE" 23 degree head any day of the week. The only thing I do agree with you on lbt is the pill thing or they just need to put everyone on the same size and let the weight be the difference.
I'm confused, So what does a 23* raised runner small block have to weight.
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Pro Street D
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| 10/27/2009 7:08 PM |
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| It could we have not had a .073 jet the biggest we had was a .068. The thing about the .061 that is about 125 hp when you call marty or ati and tell them everything and what you need they ask why are you even running nitrous. Every company had a very hard time building a convertor to that pill. I sent everyone back about 3 times or more. Now will that help out with and .078 and run those numbers don't know would have to try and see. The deal with Bein's car is I bet his 522 makes almost as much power as my engine does. I bet his makes close to 850 or more. Then you have to look he gets a 100 weight break. Then you have to look at he has to add weight to even make weight. So to answer your question David I think it would help out because it would give me something to work with on the top end. With the .068 jet you just don't have any top end. When I raced Bein at TXR we had the same 60' the same 330' he just ran off and left me on the top end of the track. But something you also have to look at the two small block that was at the top still have some left. So the rest of the small block will have to also step up there game. |
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| 10/27/2009 7:09 PM |
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| small block raised runner should have to weight 3200 I think |
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 10/27/2009 7:40 PM |
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I definitely agree with ya on the small blocks having to step up. I just wish I could figure out what is holding my car back, I know for sure it isn't the motor now. So I don't know what the next step is really.....every other part has been out of or off the car and changed at least twice.
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michaelts71
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| 10/27/2009 7:48 PM |
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Posted By supernova on 10/27/2009 7:42 PM Posted By Pro Street D on 10/27/2009 7:08 PM
It could we have not had a .073 jet the biggest we had was a .068. The thing about the .061 that is about 125 hp when you call marty or ati and tell them everything and what you need they ask why are you even running nitrous. Every company had a very hard time building a convertor to that pill. I sent everyone back about 3 times or more. Now will that help out with and .078 and run those numbers don't know would have to try and see. The deal with Bein's car is I bet his 522 makes almost as much power as my engine does. I bet his makes close to 850 or more. Then you have to look he gets a 100 weight break. Then you have to look at he has to add weight to even make weight. So to answer your question David I think it would help out because it would give me something to work with on the top end. With the .068 jet you just don't have any top end. When I raced Bein at TXR we had the same 60' the same 330' he just ran off and left me on the top end of the track. But something you also have to look at the two small block that was at the top still have some left. So the rest of the small block will have to also step up there game. I think thay should cut the nitrous back and slow the car down again. It would save money and not put most of every one's stuff on the ragid edge. But I have yet to race with you guy's so what do I know. Next year I promise. Heads are back off and being worked on as we type. 
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Pro Street D
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| 10/27/2009 8:03 PM |
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| Mikey I am on the same page with you if 250 hp of nitrous is going to kill your stuff maybe you should just stop right now. SLOW us down again what do you want us to do run just on motor. Come on these are two heads up classes they are suppose to be run what you brung and hope you have enough. |
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supernova
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| 10/27/2009 8:05 PM |
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Posted By michaelts71 on 10/27/2009 7:48 PM Posted By supernova on 10/27/2009 7:42 PM Posted By Pro Street D on 10/27/2009 7:08 PM
It could we have not had a .073 jet the biggest we had was a .068. The thing about the .061 that is about 125 hp when you call marty or ati and tell them everything and what you need they ask why are you even running nitrous. Every company had a very hard time building a convertor to that pill. I sent everyone back about 3 times or more. Now will that help out with and .078 and run those numbers don't know would have to try and see. The deal with Bein's car is I bet his 522 makes almost as much power as my engine does. I bet his makes close to 850 or more. Then you have to look he gets a 100 weight break. Then you have to look at he has to add weight to even make weight. So to answer your question David I think it would help out because it would give me something to work with on the top end. With the .068 jet you just don't have any top end. When I raced Bein at TXR we had the same 60' the same 330' he just ran off and left me on the top end of the track. But something you also have to look at the two small block that was at the top still have some left. So the rest of the small block will have to also step up there game. I think thay should cut the nitrous back and slow the car down again. It would save money and not put most of every one's stuff on the ragid edge. But I have yet to race with you guy's so what do I know. Next year I promise. Heads are back off and being worked on as we type. If you think everyones stuff is on the ragged edge on a 150-250 shot your sadly mistaken!
May be it's my STOCK tall deck block I'm worried about. It's 1100 + hp on a 78 size pill that scares me!!!
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| 10/27/2009 8:07 PM |
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Posted By Pro Street D on 10/27/2009 8:03 PM
Mikey I am on the same page with you if 250 hp of nitrous is going to kill your stuff maybe you should just stop right now. SLOW us down again what do you want us to do run just on motor. Come on these are two heads up classes they are suppose to be run what you brung and hope you have enough.
Thats why I would like the block rule changed!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 10/27/2009 8:29 PM |
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Posted By Pro Street D on 10/27/2009 8:03 PM
Mikey I am on the same page with you if 250 hp of nitrous is going to kill your stuff maybe you should just stop right now. SLOW us down again what do you want us to do run just on motor. Come on these are two heads up classes they are suppose to be run what you brung and hope you have enough.
Kinda funny you mention that. I remember when I first started in this class with my at the time....regularly street driven car. I had to take my fogger off and now we run 75 less horsepower worth of nitrous from when it was a real street car. |
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