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Just a reminder, TTT5 has been in existance for many years now, The U/S & Tuff Street are new classes on the block, we made a decision to copy the format of TTT5 because we saw that this class had it going on. And we are still proud of the format to continue. I feel that with the 3 classes of simularity would broaden our car count across Texas and hoping to pour into the other surrounding states that we got it going on. That they would come and join the wagon. Our limited street classes are dying slowly, we are being looked at very highly, so it is very important that we get our act together before we become a statistic also. I am an ex racer, and if I could come back, I would love to be apart of these organizations, and no other.
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| 10/27/2009 7:58 PM |
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Posted By michaelts71 on 10/27/2009 6:05 PM
The small block deal is a tough one.... But you have to remember a year ago in true street a true 23* small block car went a 5.40 at 3100 or 3200. Give them a 200# weight break, a dominator carb, and a fogger instead of a plate, not to mention a bigger tire and I dont see any reason why someone couldnt run 5.20's... Hell at the last race they went high 5.4X's even with the pill restrictions.
Riggins has been a 5.15 that I know of with a small block.
Im not saying a small block car is the way to go, they need something... but they need a little.... not ALOT! JMO
5.15 is a long way from a 4.99!
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calhoun
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| 10/27/2009 8:32 PM |
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LOOOOOOONG WAY. I have run mid 20's in the heat with my small block and have no doubt it will run teens with this cooler weather here but I mean come on the big blocks are all runing bottom teens, 0's and .99's. Us small blocks need ALOT. Look at the stats for all the rounds this year and you will find the fastest big block is a tenth and a half minimum faster than the fastest small block. It's just facts and it needs to be handled.
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Shane McCrary
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| 10/27/2009 8:49 PM |
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| How bought aluminum blocks? Are yall going to rule em out or what? Just askin cuz I seen on here where somebody was complainin. Im big and heavy, I might need some aluminum in my car and it makes my back hurt lifting iron blocks now days. |
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| 10/27/2009 10:17 PM |
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Posted By Shane McCrary on 10/27/2009 8:49 PM
How bought aluminum blocks? Are yall going to rule em out or what? Just askin cuz I seen on here where somebody was complainin. Im big and heavy, I might need some aluminum in my car and it makes my back hurt lifting iron blocks now days.
Cactus fed redneck, go read the damn rules, aluminum blocks are allowed in Extreme Street..................Just jackin with ya!
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| 10/27/2009 10:24 PM |
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Posted By calhoun on 10/27/2009 8:32 PM
LOOOOOOONG WAY. I have run mid 20's in the heat with my small block and have no doubt it will run teens with this cooler weather here but I mean come on the big blocks are all runing bottom teens, 0's and .99's. Us small blocks need ALOT. Look at the stats for all the rounds this year and you will find the fastest big block is a tenth and a half minimum faster than the fastest small block. It's just facts and it needs to be handled.
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I agree, I just don't know what the answer is. We are addressing that issue. I want a level playing field just like you do. We will do like we have always done and do what's best for the class. We have some good minds on the committee and we will do what makes sense. Give us some time, we will do what is best.
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calhoun
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| 10/28/2009 10:16 AM |
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I have no idea either...... I'm sure you guys will figure something out. I will still race either way. I don't want to slow down either I want to go faster so we got to figure something out. I went to the NMCA Extreme Street Race in Tn 2 weeks ago and watched the cars run and these guys are all running 5.20's and some in the teens ( at that race ) I did not see 1 time slip in the 0's and the weather was 55 degree's outside. Granted these guys are doing this with out wheelie bars, and us Texas guys build faster cars. Maybee need to take a look at there rules a little closer and see what the actual differnce is. I bet this has alot to do with it Big Block Nitrous 477 3450
Big Block Nitrous 525 3575 Maximum Cubic Inch – 565 ci* * If actual cubic inch is more than base cubic inch listing in section 13, there will be a weight penalty of 8.0 lbs per cubic inch assessed to base weights.
Not saying that is the solution just saying that is part of the reason there cars are closer togather in et's and not as fast as the Texas Cars. I think the record is a 7.9x(5.1x) and our record is a 4.99 which is around 7.7x
I repeat I don't want to slow down or throw a bunch of weight on the big blocks iI just want to state the facts.
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| 10/28/2009 12:46 PM |
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chris, i can tell you that there is little chance that the big block weights will change.
they are already heavier than i like to see for safety reasons but they are reasonable.
allowing the small-blocks to catch up is the best way. it makes them faster without
slowing down the rest of the field.
if you could loose 100 pounds in your car do you think it would pick up enough?
if you had to add 50 but you could run 2 kits do you think it would pick up enough?
i understand that durability may become an issue with 2 kits but that will be your choice.
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calhoun
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| 10/28/2009 3:33 PM |
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John, first off I don't want to add weight to anyone to slow them down.... the key here is to go faster and faster since it is a heads up class. Here is my senario and let me know what you think.
I am 75lbs heavy as it sits cause that is what my car likes. I don't think giving or taking weight is the problem solver here. You know and everyone else in this class knows what there car runs with 2 kits. I think 2 kits (plate and fogger) for the small blocks is the ONLY way we can reach a level playing field. This is with out touching the weights across the board. As you mentioned before you worrie about the small block fords tearing there motors up with 2 kits, well this can be avoided if you play this game the right way. In my situation I would still be spraying the same amount of nitrous with 2 kits as I would with 1. I would take advantage of the plate and use it to leave on and then bring the fogger in after the tires where planted controlling the wheel speed there for giving my car a better 60' , 330, and 1/8th mile et. The problem with the ford's can be solved with using the fogger to add fuel jet to the corners where it runs lean and with the 7531 I can pull timing out of the hot holes therefore giving me a clean tune and taking the N/F distributiion problem from the plate out of the equation.The second kit would allow me to spray more nitrous if needed but everyone knows you can only spray so much nitrous through a head that only flows 420 cfm. I believe it will help us small blocks get close enough to the big blocks to be competetive. I don't think we will be setting any records by any means but we will be competetive again.
I know there are people probly thinking 2 kits no way man they will run over us. The rules the way they are written are perfect minus the fact the small blocks dont have 2 kits. The rules limit the small block motors on how much nitrous they can actually flow how ever man kits you run. So Yes I think 2 kits will be a step in the right direction. I think it is the only way to go. For example you guys ran 2 kits in clash and ran 5.teens and that is with big blocks. Another Martin Keefer ( white mustang ) 2 kits big block ran a 5.04 at the last txdrl race, this car runs 20's on one kit in Ultimate street. Red Tazz Express Cavilier ran with OTTA last year ran a 4.8x with a SBC twin dominators sheetmetal intake HUGE heads and that was on the ragged edge. David Wagner SBC with 2 kits on runs in the Teens. These are just some guys I have seen at the track and watched over the past couple years..
So yes I think 2 kits will help us get to the teens and 0's . I know it takes the fun out of saying Xtreme Street single power adder class but I believe it is the only way to keep the small blocks competetive with the big blocks with out adding a bunch of weight to them like the NMCA does.
I'm open for anything so just let me know.
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| 10/28/2009 3:50 PM |
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Chris let me add to that, Red Tazz has dominator two fours, sheet metal intake, Weight 2970 lbs. small block spraying how many he can. So far 5.19 only thing this was on a 8.5 tire. We figure just change the tire for more patch, mid 5.0's or lower. You guys will still be using a single manifold, with one carb.
I would limiti the small block to a single design plate, one fogger system. And hope that is enuff. or a dual plate only. no two foggers.. This will be easy to police, and control later if needed. don't forget two bottles will be needed. |
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| 10/28/2009 4:29 PM |
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IM SLOW!!!. But I will still run because I love these classes. I have thought for days about this issue and dont have anything except Weight and Two Kits. I know I can get my car pretty light and I dont want to put a plate and a fogger on my car due to my combo. As of right now I can drop 344 pounds out of my car in about 30 minutes and thats what I plan to do if the rules are changed. Will it get me in the hunt. I DONT THINK SO. But its a start. We Have really changed some stuff up on the car these last few months after hurting the motor and I'm going to give it a shot next season. But I have already decided if we can't get it done next year. Then were changing combo's and honestly I think that is what its going to come down to in this class
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| 10/28/2009 9:20 PM |
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The more I think about it, if the rules did change to small blocks getting another kit I don't see why it would have to be a plate kit insted of a second fogger. Sure it can be done with a plate but it could also hurt some people using a plate due to the distribution problems, causing people to hurt there motors and resulting in down cars and lower car count. So that is a idea to look as well. While I'm at it we would need 2 10 lb bottles as well or 1 15lb with a 8 feed line.... If this happened I think we would be in the show again. Remember 4.99 is the record this year so we all know it will be faster than that next year.
We could at least give it a try and if someone happens to come in with this set up and blow everyone out of the water( it won't happen ) then there is plenty of room to stack weight on the small blocks. Let the tables turn for once and let the small blocks earn there right to get weight stacked on them instead of the big blocks! |
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