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2010 Schedule
April 17th Dallas Raceway
May 15th North Star, Eric Meyer Memorial
May 22nd Dallas Raceway
June 12th Dallas Raceway
July 17th Dallas RacewayAugust 14th Dallas Raceway
September 4th North Star
September 25th Dallas Raceway
October 16th Dallas Raceway
North Texas Side-By-Side
Small Tire Racing at it's best!
Extreme Street 10.5
True Street 275/60 Mickey Thompson Drag radial
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COACH
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| 10/26/2009 10:14 AM |
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First I want to say thanks to Donna for rescheduling the meeting to Nov. 21st. Which is our finals, and this give the few guys that race in U/S & TTT5 to be able to make it. I myself has been very proud of both organization working with each other this year, even the Tuff Street here in Houston. Our classes are struggling for growth, but this economy still hasn't let up to get the guys back at the track.
Unc, you fought a good fight, to keep the money in Dallas @ the finals, But the record still walked back down Hwy. 45 back to Houston.
I read that you were planning on tearing down, not just yet, you and Cedric got one more shot at our record and a win in Evadale, this track is a record breaking facility. Our record now is still @ 5.14, which is held by Trevor, and is still up for grabs. We down here all know its a long haul for you guys. I am asking atleast give us a four to one travel. We will waive you guys the membership fee, for this trip and give it a shot for the make over money that you need.
Now that the teens are the days of the pass and O's / .99's are the goals of many. Everyone has a goal to reach for next year.
Now is the time to get the (Itch) off each other back, and start a new year of new beginnings.
TO BEAT SOMEBODY YOU GOT TO BE THERE, THE WHININNG WILL BE OVER WHEN YOU ARE IN THE OTHER LANE.
NEWS FOR NEXT YEAR,
Trevor has stepped down from Tuff Street,
and I will be the coordinator for both classes U/S & Tuff Street. |
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Unc
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| 10/26/2009 12:18 PM |
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| I've already started taking mine apart doing body work. |
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COACH
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| 10/26/2009 4:13 PM |
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| DANG, DANG, DANG, WAS LOOKING FORWARD FOR THE YELLO MELOW TO TO COME TO THE DALE. |
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Shane McCrary
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| 10/26/2009 4:24 PM |
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Posted By Unc on 10/26/2009 12:18 PM
I've already started taking mine apart doing body work.
My 69 is more pertyfull!  |
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Unc
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| 10/26/2009 5:18 PM |
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Posted By Shane McCrary on 10/26/2009 4:24 PM Posted By Unc on 10/26/2009 12:18 PM
I've already started taking mine apart doing body work. My 69 is more pertyfull! 
I don't doubt that. Mine is butt ugly right now.
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565 Big Block
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| 10/26/2009 9:23 PM |
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| Hey Coach , you say the teens are the days of the pass and O's/.99's are the goals of many . I have to beg the differ on that one . Now look at the car count since alot of cars starting to go fast . It has went down down tremendously . Look at True Street , they have a full field every race as far as i see and have heard . Why because the TTT5 committee has leveled the playing field and its up to who can tune their car the best for the conditions that day . Now if they do the same in Extreme Street , mark my words . The car count will go back up like it waslike in the past when the class was running from 20's to low 30's . It was about 14 to 16+ cars at almost every race . Because everybody pretty much had a chance . So the committee should look back in the past and get a hold of Extreme Street cause it has gotten outta hand . It is a proven fact that if you have about 2 or 3 cars dominating theses classes then the slower cars are not gonna participate anymore . Look what happened to True 10.5 , got outta hand , jus like the limited street class . The car count went down because of the times that were displayed. Thats exactly why OTTA not doing to good . It sound like I'm bitching and complaining but really guys/gals its the truth, no matter if you admit it or not . So just put a cap on the pill size just like you did in True Street and it gives everyone a chance . Thanks for your time and hope I dont get my head bitten off for this post . Hell why not go all they way with it. Coach since you post on here alot , and if TTT5 do cap the pill size , why don't you guys just pull together and have a class that can travel from Dallas to Houston every month . Now that will be so sweet . Look at NHRA , they started somewhere also , so its never to late to come together guys. They made their rules to which all the cars are right their within a tenth to a thousandth . Lets all come together and give everyone a chance to go out and race. It would be kinda fun to have so many cars to that you have a bump . That would be awesome . Didn't mean to get on here a write a book . I'm bored and thought I might share my thoughts . Thanks again |
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Unc
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| 10/26/2009 10:02 PM |
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Personally, I'm okay with a cap on the pill size. But when you add a pill size in the rules, you add another level of tech into the equation. Who is gonna go and check all those pills? If you leave it to the honor system, then you are asking for trouble. I've already inherited the job of making sure True Street uses the pill they are supposed to. I went to the trouble to get all the junk to seal up the TS nitrous lines and I have to make sure it get's sealed. I can't add anymore to my plate, I have a car to race.
Our main tech man that has been with us for 9 years has decided he is stepping aside. I wish he would change his mind, but a man has to do what a man has to do. So my question is, who is going to make sure the pill is what it is supposed to be if we put a cap on it?
The folks that have done their homework are going to go fast no matter what the rules say, it's been proven over and over again. Cap, okay, cap it to a 34 or 36 pill..................JMHO |
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565 Big Block
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| 10/26/2009 11:08 PM |
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| I can definitely understand that you have alot on your plate Unc . Now this is where the honor system comes into play . Whatever pill size that is equivalent to a 350 shot , so what is that a standard 38 pill ? Now that will level the playin field , don't you think . Now if a car does run an unbelievable number , thats where the committee guys come in and check his/her pills right then when they pull back to their trailer . If they are caught cheating then they should be fined $50 to $100 and suspended a few races and that money is added to the pot or whatever the committee come up with . So basically on a 350 shot each and everybody associated with TTT5 pretty much know that the field would be, very competitive if they go that route . If the committee does go this route , have everyone buy the stainless steel pills , bring them to another meeting like in January or so , have the committee gauge all the pills to make sure they are the right size and place a marking on them that they will be recognized by . If those pills have been tampered with on random inspections then they should be disciplined . Something like that . |
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Unc
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| 10/26/2009 11:24 PM |
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Posted By 565 Big Block on 10/26/2009 11:08 PM
I can definitely understand that you have alot on your plate Unc . Now this is where the honor system comes into play . Whatever pill size that is equivalent to a 350 shot , so what is that a standard 38 pill ? Now that will level the playin field , don't you think . Now if a car does run an unbelievable number , thats where the committee guys come in and check his/her pills right then when they pull back to their trailer . If they are caught cheating then they should be fined $50 to $100 and suspended a few races and that money is added to the pot or whatever the committee come up with . So basically on a 350 shot each and everybody associated with TTT5 pretty much know that the field would be, very competitive if they go that route . If the committee does go this route , have everyone buy the stainless steel pills , bring them to another meeting like in January or so , have the committee gauge all the pills to make sure they are the right size and place a marking on them that they will be recognized by . If those pills have been tampered with on random inspections then they should be disciplined . Something like that .
That's a very good idea. But who is going to check those pills and mark them, and then check them again if they go too fast? That's my whole point in all this, I like the pill size idea, but who is going to police it? I'm not! I'll take care of True Street before the race starts and make sure they are all sealed up, but making sure 16 cars with 8 jets each are what they are supposed to be, nah, not me. I aint going to cheat, I despise cheaters, but some folks don't see it the way I do and they will do whatever it takes to win, and that includes cheating.
So again, I like the idea, but who is going to police it?
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565 Big Block
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| 10/27/2009 6:01 AM |
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| Im sure that the committee can come up with something just like they came up with people to come around and pump everyones motor . It can be done . So , if you propose the idea then I'm sure it will be worked out . Unc , thanks for going back and forth on this thing with me . All it takes is communication between everyone . |
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punisher#1
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| 10/27/2009 7:06 AM |
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the pill "cap" is a good idea in concept but it will NOT level the field.
the goal of everybody in the extreme class is to be the fastest.
if you put a pill limit on the class you will give the guys willing to spend more money on their engine program a tremendous advantage.
lets use the 565bbc as an example.
you can build one that will make around 950-975 without spending a ton on cyl. and intake work that is strong enough to take whatever nitrous you want to throw at it.
spend another 4-6k on custom head porting and a cut apart and welded intake and a 60mm cam and it will make AT LEAST 1100. and you can still throw a lot of nitrous to it.
now give both those guys a 40 pill limit and see who will be faster.
i agree with unc about tech being a nightmare. if someone gets a little faster than everybody else the cheating rumors will start to fly. just look at trevor. just because he was a bunch faster everybody thought there was something going on that was against the rules or at least in a grey area. then unc lays down two 5.07s and a 5.04.
the way i see it there are several cars that have the potential to be just as fast. they have not found the combination yet, but they will.
hell, i am now running 5teens (at a heavier weight) with the same parts that would only run 30s just a couple of years ago.
the guys who realy need some help are the smallblock guys. and we will adress that at the committee meeting. there will always be a class buster that is a little faster but the guys running at the back will not return if there is no chance of going a couple of rounds and having a little fun.
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 10/27/2009 8:30 AM |
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Kind of like True Street, I remember when the pill restriction came out everybody said there is now way the T/S cars would be back in the 40's.
Well, now they are......5.47 to be exact. Probably back in the 30's next year. Pill restrictions only work for so long, just ask the Real Street boys in Florida. Some of those guys are running 20's on an .082 jet with a 275. Basically the only difference from our class is they get a dominator. Everybody eventually figures out how to make their particular combination work to it's full potential. |
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COACH
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| 10/27/2009 9:18 AM |
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Now since this has turn in to a concern of the class thread, I have read the everyone post in which everyone is now making a lot since to help the classes. Extreme, Ultimate, Tuff Street, we are now looking as one because we are using the same standard rules, to allow us to play and fun together across Texas. It has made very easy for the guys to come and play in other back yard with out changing there car around to compete, more like come as you are thing. Heads up racing is about competition and going faster to beat the other guy in the other lane. Capping the car would be a job for someone, If you think about it, the honor system will be your death note. Why would I cheat through the complete race and get caught at the finals and get thrown out for the rest of the season. Winner tear down before he is handed his money or check. After the race he goes straight to his trailer for the tear down session. I myself would not want to be this guy to be caught and pay a fine and get thrown out and labeled.
Now if we don't cap the cars, like John stated that we are finding more power to make things work to everyone advantage to win a race. Right now the small block are the one are hurting here in these classes. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT. If I am wrong, I saw that the 23 deg head sb was giving a weight break and it didn't help. Until some one proves me wrong, Loosing weight for a small block is not going to solve the problems. They need more power to compete.
Avg. smallblock, 750 to 900 hp. add 350 to 450 you have an avg of 1350, big block 1100 to 1200 with 350 to 500 way to much talk about. Now since this said, and you guys can call me crazy, I rumor this amongst the Houston guys, to give the small block a second kit, no two fogger a single stage plate and fogger, running at the same base weight that they are running now, no weight loss. If they go faster it will be easier to put a cap on them, limit the pill size on the plate, and release it if the big blocks go faster than the capped cars, and so on.
Our goal is to have a level play field, keep things equal, and at the end of the day of the race and you have won, look for the tech crew coming your way. |
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punisher#1
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| 10/27/2009 11:42 AM |
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sorry for the thread hijack coach. randy, ralph, and i will all be out of town on our annual pheasant hunting trip on that weekend.
you are right about the smallblocks needing more power.
we could just tell them all to sell their engines and build a big block but we DO NOT want it to come to that.
we have talked about dropping the minimum weight for ALL the small blocks and then adding weight back on if they want to use two kits.
that would give the guys that can get light enough the option of doing it either way.
as for the fogger and plate deal, i would not want to mandate that as the ford guys would have a hard time keeping their stuff together because of distribution problems.
the ttt5 rules committee will be meeting soon to discuss rules for next season and the #1 thing on my agenda is to level out the playing field without slowing the class down.
the tracks are not going to want to pay and the fans are not going to want to watch the same cars running the same times. there needs to be progress in the class to keep the fans interested.
i think our organization has some of the best side by side racing in the state and i want to keep it that way. |
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| 10/27/2009 1:56 PM |
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| Heck I say as fast as the extreme street guy are running they should let the True Street guys go back to bigger pills. That way no one will have to check anything before everyrace or make sure everyone has the right pills before the race. I think in True Street if it was opened back up you will have several cars right there together. |
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| 10/27/2009 2:12 PM |
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Posted By Pro Street D on 10/27/2009 1:56 PM
Heck I say as fast as the extreme street guy are running they should let the True Street guys go back to bigger pills. That way no one will have to check anything before everyrace or make sure everyone has the right pills before the race. I think in True Street if it was opened back up you will have several cars right there together.
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| 10/27/2009 6:05 PM |
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The small block deal is a tough one.... But you have to remember a year ago in true street a true 23* small block car went a 5.40 at 3100 or 3200. Give them a 200# weight break, a dominator carb, and a fogger instead of a plate, not to mention a bigger tire and I dont see any reason why someone couldnt run 5.20's... Hell at the last race they went high 5.4X's even with the pill restrictions.
Riggins has been a 5.15 that I know of with a small block.
Im not saying a small block car is the way to go, they need something... but they need a little.... not ALOT! JMO |
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| 10/27/2009 6:18 PM |
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Posted By michaelts71 on 10/27/2009 6:05 PM
The small block deal is a tough one.... But you have to remember a year ago in true street a true 23* small block car went a 5.40 at 3100 or 3200. Give them a 200# weight break, a dominator carb, and a fogger instead of a plate, not to mention a bigger tire and I dont see any reason why someone couldnt run 5.20's... Hell at the last race they went high 5.4X's even with the pill restrictions.
Riggins has been a 5.15 that I know of with a small block.
Im not saying a small block car is the way to go, they need something... but they need a little.... not ALOT! JMO
I thought 23 degree small blocks could run at 2800 in Extreme. If so, that's 400 lbs instead of 200. |
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| 10/27/2009 6:41 PM |
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John, this is important stuff here, our classes are in jeopardy of the car count. Someone mention Riggins car, I know it like a book, that was running it on the ragged edge. Sometimes that mean that you will be at the machine shop more than being at the track. Making the piston factory happy. Ford small block (true) do have a distribution problems with the plate, If everyone remember the Silver Ghost mustang that I use to run with, it back in the day, 3100 lbs. plate and fogger, we were capable of low 5 teens and this was baclk in 2004, we all know that technology has really increased by now. The 7531 wasn't even out then not even the S tire also.
I am hoping that we come up with a solution ASAP so that guys can working on there combo's and get those thing out of the garage, and also stop the whininng. This year everyone has been on there game on winning, and increasing their speed. True this is what gets the spectators out to the track to see a new number on the score board, and who's beating who. Spectators love to see when out of towners come and go up against there home town boys. This is what keeps it interesting for the tracks to know that our clubs keep our spectators on there feet.
To me an 8 car count is not a race. 16 or more is. Reason I say this, example, the guys that are running that fast really can't keep that up during a big car count, 3 rounds and qualifying is very easy on a heavy hitter, but give him some round and he is running it at the edge the whole time, I bet you that some one will send him home that has been consistant. This is why car count is important but consistant car. To some of you slow guys you are giving the heavy hitters more of a chance to win. In the past year in a 16 car count have anyone seen the # 1 qualifier go home in victory. but its more of a chance at an 8 car count.
Back to the small blocks, you guys I am fighting for you all to get back on board with the races, Like John said give you a choice, the wieght or the extra kit. But we all know that this is still in question. Just a thought. I see no other way.
Guys will find a way, look at the 8.5 class running now of 5.19 we would never think. |
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