Tangerine_Stripes
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| 09/27/2009 11:53 AM |
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| Don't know how many of you guys heard, but Trevor went 5.00 @ 145 down at the TXDRL race. |
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565 Big Block
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| 09/27/2009 12:02 PM |
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| I have to say that Trevor is putting up some impressive numbers . My hat goes off to him . GREAT JOB ! So my thing is to keep things close and competitive up here in Dallas is to be like True Street and put a cap on the pill size and go from there . Then the best tuner will win . What do you say about that ? |
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strych9
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| 09/30/2009 2:03 PM |
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I honestly think pill limitations will not be good for our classes. We are supposed to be the fast class. Fans want to see it. I think we should look at how to speed up the slower cars instead of slowing down the faster cars. All the big blocks picked up this weekend and will continue. The small blocks need some help. Tuff Street has dropped the small block weight 200 lbs to 2900 lbs. We think this is a good start and should give the small blocks something to work with.
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lbt
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| 09/30/2009 3:26 PM |
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I like the 2900#
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Unc
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| 09/30/2009 8:14 PM |
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2900 lbs only fits certain type cars. 2900 lbs is smoke in the mirror because most cars can't get that light without spending a crap load of money guttin out their car.
Let's say you have an average man in the seat, 180 pound man. That means to get the car down to 2900 the car would weigh 2700 and change? Come on, get real. That's the most BS concession I've seen in a while.
I think US, ES, TS, should make "one off, non mass produced, traction control/ignition control/optical sensor reaction controlled systems illegal"
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lbt
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| 09/30/2009 9:26 PM |
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So Unc, 2900# concerns you.
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maverick
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| 09/30/2009 9:42 PM |
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Posted By Unc on 09/30/2009 8:14 PM
2900 lbs only fits certain type cars. 2900 lbs is smoke in the mirror because most cars can't get that light without spending a crap load of money guttin out their car.
Let's say you have an average man in the seat, 180 pound man. That means to get the car down to 2900 the car would weigh 2700 and change? Come on, get real. That's the most BS concession I've seen in a while.
I think US, ES, TS, should make "one off, non mass produced, traction control/ignition control/optical sensor reaction controlled systems illegal"
Unc
Smoke in the mirror? You are unbelievable!
Then why did TTT5 make the stock valve angle rule last year? Any TRUE nitrous 23* headed SBC or 20* SBF subtract 200# Revised 11-30-08
Do you even read your own rules?
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Unc
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| 09/30/2009 10:43 PM |
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My bad on wording it incorrectly Chad, yes I know what the rules say. Smoke in mirrors, yep, weight breaks cost money. One pound lost cost you $50 to a $100 per pound. My point was giving the SB cars a weight break in Tuff Street, which has already been done in ES and it isn't the answer to leveling out the playing field. I didn't convey that very well in my response.
I don't make the rules but I can tell you that giving weight breaks probably isn't the answer. And my other point was "one off, non mass produced, traction control/ignition control/optical sensor reaction controlled systems illegal", that was my main point!
Peace out,
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Unc
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| 09/30/2009 10:57 PM |
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Posted By lbt on 09/30/2009 3:26 PM
I like the 2900#
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strych9
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| 10/01/2009 6:02 AM |
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Posted By Unc on 09/30/2009 10:43 PM
My bad on wording it incorrectly Chad, yes I know what the rules say. Smoke in mirrors, yep, weight breaks cost money. One pound lost cost you $50 to a $100 per pound. My point was giving the SB cars a weight break in Tuff Street, which has already been done in ES and it isn't the answer to leveling out the playing field. I didn't convey that very well in my response.
I don't make the rules but I can tell you that giving weight breaks probably isn't the answer. And my other point was "one off, non mass produced, traction control/ignition control/optical sensor reaction controlled systems illegal", that was my main point!
Peace out,
Unc
To go fast cost money, period. Reducing weight, as I stated, is a start. We will continue to make changes as required. I hope TTT5 and Tuff Street can work together on a common set of rules. Our ears are open.
P.S. Limiting jets will cost even more to go fast.
All the equipment in my car is mass produced and can be bought by any of you. Go to automationdirect.com and maplesystems.com it is all there. My system only does one of the things you listed and the same can be done with digisets. You guys can't see the forest for the trees. Basic drag racing theory is the reason we have been successful. AND A SHIT LOAD OF LUCK.
And if you want a complete system like mine, Tim McAmis Race Cars will sell it to you and install it in your car.
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maverick
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| 10/01/2009 6:29 AM |
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Posted By Unc on 09/30/2009 10:43 PM
My bad on wording it incorrectly Chad, yes I know what the rules say. Smoke in mirrors, yep, weight breaks cost money. One pound lost cost you $50 to a $100 per pound. My point was giving the SB cars a weight break in Tuff Street, which has already been done in ES and it isn't the answer to leveling out the playing field. I didn't convey that very well in my response.
I don't make the rules but I can tell you that giving weight breaks probably isn't the answer. And my other point was "one off, non mass produced, traction control/ignition control/optical sensor reaction controlled systems illegal", that was my main point!
Peace out,
Unc
Sorry Unc I call BS on this one.Lets check your math.
Low side $50 a lbs. X the new 200lb weight break = $10,000.00
High side $100 a lbs x the new 200lb weight break = $20,000.00
I don't think this response is going to hold water either!
I don't think you want to go into the horsepower potential verses weight between big blocks and small blocks under the current TTT5 rules.
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lbt
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| 10/01/2009 8:27 AM |
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Posted By Unc on 09/30/2009 10:57 PM Posted By lbt on 09/30/2009 3:26 PM
I like the 2900#
............LBT Come jump in the lanes Danny! Get in there and race these men.
I'm working on it Unc
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BenBoosted
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| 10/10/2009 5:54 AM |
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All the equipment in my car is mass produced and can be bought by any of you. Go to automationdirect.com and maplesystems.com it is all there. My system only does one of the things you listed and the same can be done with digisets. You guys can't see the forest for the trees. Basic drag racing theory is the reason we have been successful. AND A SHIT LOAD OF LUCK.
And if you want a complete system like mine, Tim McAmis Race Cars will sell it to you and install it in your car.
Trevor
Wait a second. Let's be realistic here. I may be able to go and buy a plane jane Windows Embedded touch screen, along with all of the sensors, as you did, from those web sites you listed. What I can't do is to create the custom software you use to monitor and control all of those sensors and devices. Do you think the average person has the coding skills to recreate/code the application you have running on your touch screen? Is that software mass marketed? Where can I buy that? YOU wrote it and it's for sale for the small sum of $20k per your racing junk ad. |
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 10/10/2009 8:52 AM |
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Simply amazing, one guy finds something that works and is legal. Everybody else wants to ban it because they aren't smart enough to do the same thing. My hats off to the guy for being a genius, wish I was that smart.
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BenBoosted
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| 10/10/2009 9:11 AM |
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| I never said anything about banning. All I pointed out was this his setup isn't widely available. Congrats to him that he's got the skills to build such a thing. I'm envious! But to say his custom setup is widely available is a bit misleading. The HARDWARE is widely available. The software is not. |
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strych9
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| 10/10/2009 11:33 AM |
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The software is also widely available. The PLC company sells the software used to program the PLC. Also, the touch screen company also sells the software to program the touch screen. It is all readily available. If you can't use the software, there are thousands of software programmers you can hire to program it for you. Kinda the same as hiring a welder to weld a custom bracket on your car if you can't weld.
I want $20k for the hardware, software, and the settings you need to put into the computer and chassis to make the car go 5.00.
It ain't any different than the settings you have to put into your boost controller to go fast or the 7531 settings another racer uses to go fast thoes setting are worth a bunch. Years of testing, thousands of dollars, piles of broken parts. That is what you pay for.
As for becoming more readily available.
I have been working on starting up a company to sell these computers for a number of months now. We will bring all the things together that are needed to put one of these "race car controllers" in anyones car. Announcement is coming soon....
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barnett
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| 10/10/2009 11:39 AM |
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I have been working on starting up a company to sell these computers for a number of months now. We will bring all the things together that are needed to put one of these "race car controllers" in anyones car. Announcement is coming soon....
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 10/10/2009 5:01 PM |
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Posted By BenBoosted on 10/10/2009 9:11 AM
I never said anything about banning. All I pointed out was this his setup isn't widely available. Congrats to him that he's got the skills to build such a thing. I'm envious! But to say his custom setup is widely available is a bit misleading. The HARDWARE is widely available. The software is not.
There are others in this organization (if he were to try and race in Extreme) and on other boards that would like it though. I don't have the cash some of the other guys have, I don't have a complete chassis shop at my disposal like some of the other guys do either.
So should they be penalized because they are doing things I can't? No.
Like I said, just because the guy is smart and has figured out something that works shouldn't make him any more legal or illegal than the next guy. Regardless of whether or not anyone else can have the same system in their car.
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| 10/11/2009 3:34 PM |
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Man the code of justice is trying to become reality. Test, Test, Test, blow it up, blow it up, make your engine builder house notes, and car notes. The Gas Plants are making alot of Nitrous that blows into the air of test and blow ups. You spend money everytime you load that car up in the trailer, if you went down the track or not, but just getting ready for a rainy day, and the track rains out. I have seen Trevor do his home work, day after day, and I laught at him about the seal on his motor, and pumping his motor. Took time to look down in the intake and he told me that I was looking to long because I was an ex head porter. That almost put me back in business on what I seen. Definately wasn't an extra system in the intake. But a beautiful job of Slick Rick. Ask Trevor does 8 inch, to 12 inch make a different and it does. And the rest was up to him. Never take a man side, but have watch him from behind the trees at his house. When a guy like him give you the secret, I will bet that some of us will never know thats is the secret of going fast. We are all still learning in this racing world. When E.F. Hutton speaks everyone listens.
THERE ARE A LOT OF US STILL ON THE PORCH WHINING, WE WILL NOT HELP EACH OTHER, EVERY MAN TO HIMSELF, ON LY THE BIG BALLS WIN AND THE BIG POCKETS THAT HAS NO ENDING. WE GOT CARS THAT CAN'T KEEP UP AND IS DROPING OFF LIKE FLIES ON THE WALL WITH REAL KILL.
Guys lets take our classes more serious the season is about to end, This is the time to come to reality and think positive about our classes and make them work in every one favor to be equal or comparitive.
Only thing that Trevor has done to prove to us that the speed and E.T. is there and the rest has a goal to reach.
TEST, TEST, TEST, Try not to blow it up. |
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Unc
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| 10/11/2009 11:47 PM |
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| I'm still trying to learn all the bells and whistles on the 7531 and now we have touch screen race controllers? No wonder NHRA outlawed the MSD 7531 boxes. I guess NHRA seen where this was heading. |
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