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Posted By Tangerine_Stripes on 02/08/2008 3:56 PM Posted By Small-block on 02/08/2008 6:17 AM One word, Parity! This is supposed to be a low budget class, we keep on, we might as well all run extreme! Let's just get what we are running figured out and stop trying to get advantages on each other by how much money we can spend! And anyway, like Unc said, your not running anyless or more nitrous, yah you do lose a little bottle pressure at the end of the track, but I guarantee you aren't losing that much, maybe a quarter mile, but we aren't racing a quarter mile! And lastly, put a good heater on your bottle, and it will keep the pressure alot better than a torch, and it's a hell of a lot safer!  Only 1 problem I see with that statement. If I was trying to stay in a budget I definitely picked the WRONG class to compete in. If I was going budget racing I would bracket race  It costs a hell of a lot of money to be competitive in a heads up, small tire, heavy car, big power class. Really and truly, I wouldn't have had to spend but a couple grand more to go Extreme. I just like T/S because they are more like real street cars. If somebody tells you they can be competitive in this class without spending at least 20 grand. They're full of it. I could go out and bracket race and spend half that, but I hate bracket racing. IT BLOWS! And if somebody did have two pounds of nitrous in the bottle instead of nitrogen or compressed air, how the hell would that be cheating Brooks? It's no different at that point than having a 12 pound bottle! Oh and as for why Pro-Mods and KOTH cars don't use them? Well, I guess there's really no need when you have two full 15 or 20 pound bottles in the car every pass. Unfortunately, we aren't allowed to have unlimited amounts of nitrous bottles.
It would be cheating because only ONE (of nitrous)is allowed, but that don't matter, a pusher system won't be allowed anytime soon to worry about it in the first place.
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 02/08/2008 4:39 PM |
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Posted By Turbostang on 02/08/2008 4:33 PM Posted By Tangerine_Stripes on 02/08/2008 3:56 PM Posted By Small-block on 02/08/2008 6:17 AM One word, Parity! This is supposed to be a low budget class, we keep on, we might as well all run extreme! Let's just get what we are running figured out and stop trying to get advantages on each other by how much money we can spend! And anyway, like Unc said, your not running anyless or more nitrous, yah you do lose a little bottle pressure at the end of the track, but I guarantee you aren't losing that much, maybe a quarter mile, but we aren't racing a quarter mile! And lastly, put a good heater on your bottle, and it will keep the pressure alot better than a torch, and it's a hell of a lot safer! Only 1 problem I see with that statement. If I was trying to stay in a budget I definitely picked the WRONG class to compete in. If I was going budget racing I would bracket race It costs a hell of a lot of money to be competitive in a heads up, small tire, heavy car, big power class. Really and truly, I wouldn't have had to spend but a couple grand more to go Extreme. I just like T/S because they are more like real street cars. If somebody tells you they can be competitive in this class without spending at least 20 grand. They're full of it. I could go out and bracket race and spend half that, but I hate bracket racing. IT BLOWS! And if somebody did have two pounds of nitrous in the bottle instead of nitrogen or compressed air, how the hell would that be cheating Brooks? It's no different at that point than having a 12 pound bottle! Oh and as for why Pro-Mods and KOTH cars don't use them? Well, I guess there's really no need when you have two full 15 or 20 pound bottles in the car every pass. Unfortunately, we aren't allowed to have unlimited amounts of nitrous bottles. It would be cheating because only ONE (of nitrous)is allowed, but that don't matter, a pusher system won't be allowed anytime soon to worry about it in the first place.
Thanks for being so considerate as to pose the question before the board for me and have them render a decision that no one got to vote on. I'm sure the rest of the members appreciate having their questions or ideas submitted and quashed in a similar manner. And yes, I'm being sarcastic. It just sounds like the door is being shut before anyone but you are taking it into consideration.
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| 02/08/2008 5:24 PM |
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| Okay, here is the deal Tangerine_Stripes. That rule has been in place for 3 years now and going on 4. We are not going to vote on it. Everyone runs one bottle. End of story. Lets move on. |
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Pro Street D
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| 02/08/2008 6:16 PM |
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I know on my car i only have 10lbs bottles, the pressure does not drop that much in a
pass maybe 50 psi or so. I own 4 bottles and that is plenty to make it threw a night of
racing. That is with me changing out after every 2 passes. i just don't feel good about running a bottle all the way down I like to know that I have plenty when I go down the track. I have talked to people that have used the nano they say it work good to keeps the pressure the same but the run 1/4 mile. I think i would rather spend money to fill bottles than pay that much for a system like that just my thought.
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| 02/08/2008 6:19 PM |
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First off I’ll answer your question in reference to Push Systems. Push Systems will not be allowed for the 2008 season. If you like to bring this up at the end of the year meeting fine, we can do so at that time. Turbostang has tried in a nice way to inform you of what goes on behind the scene as well as answer your questions. But it seems that’s not good enough. We all put a lot of work into making this organization the best it can possibly be. We do it so the average racer has a place to race. No half million dollar set ups, just regular guys in pursuit of that elusive win. This is something that every racer can show their friends and family as well as being recognized over the internet.
You don’t see Miguel, Roy, Pro Street D, Paul/Dwayne or M. Wheeler on the board complaining about what they can’t have. They are to busy fine tuning their combinations. I guess that’s why they have all had success in T/S. For what ever rime or reason some racers think there is a magic pill to make you go fast. Sorry there’s no such thing. Show me a successful racer and I’ll show you a person who put a lot of time and effort into his/her car including numerous test n tune sessions. An all this was done within the confines of the rules. It sounds as if when you and a few others don’t get the answer you want you just continue on and on with the same thing. We are not always going to get everything we want but if we are lucky we will get everything we need. It amazes me that all of a sudden every Johnny come lately has all the answers. No one has all the answers we just do the best we can. Hey I have an idea, why don’t you read the rules one more time make all necessary adjustments and come out and race, you just may have a good time. Think about it everyone your racing against had to abide by the same rules.
If this does not work, maybe I could come and work for you. I hope you don’t have any rules. If so I’m only going to complain and tell you what I want regardless of what you have already established.
I apologize to all the racers who this does not affect. But enough is enough, hope to see everyone at the upcoming Tech session. For those of you who can’t let this issue go please leave a number and I will call you.
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Turbostang
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| 02/08/2008 6:50 PM |
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Posted By Tangerine_Stripes on 02/08/2008 4:39 PM Posted By Turbostang on 02/08/2008 4:33 PM Posted By Tangerine_Stripes on 02/08/2008 3:56 PM Posted By Small-block on 02/08/2008 6:17 AM One word, Parity! This is supposed to be a low budget class, we keep on, we might as well all run extreme! Let's just get what we are running figured out and stop trying to get advantages on each other by how much money we can spend! And anyway, like Unc said, your not running anyless or more nitrous, yah you do lose a little bottle pressure at the end of the track, but I guarantee you aren't losing that much, maybe a quarter mile, but we aren't racing a quarter mile! And lastly, put a good heater on your bottle, and it will keep the pressure alot better than a torch, and it's a hell of a lot safer! Only 1 problem I see with that statement. If I was trying to stay in a budget I definitely picked the WRONG class to compete in. If I was going budget racing I would bracket race It costs a hell of a lot of money to be competitive in a heads up, small tire, heavy car, big power class. Really and truly, I wouldn't have had to spend but a couple grand more to go Extreme. I just like T/S because they are more like real street cars. If somebody tells you they can be competitive in this class without spending at least 20 grand. They're full of it. I could go out and bracket race and spend half that, but I hate bracket racing. IT BLOWS! And if somebody did have two pounds of nitrous in the bottle instead of nitrogen or compressed air, how the hell would that be cheating Brooks? It's no different at that point than having a 12 pound bottle! Oh and as for why Pro-Mods and KOTH cars don't use them? Well, I guess there's really no need when you have two full 15 or 20 pound bottles in the car every pass. Unfortunately, we aren't allowed to have unlimited amounts of nitrous bottles. It would be cheating because only ONE (of nitrous)is allowed, but that don't matter, a pusher system won't be allowed anytime soon to worry about it in the first place. Thanks for being so considerate as to pose the question before the board for me and have them render a decision that no one got to vote on. I'm sure the rest of the members appreciate having their questions or ideas submitted and quashed in a similar manner. And yes, I'm being sarcastic. It just sounds like the door is being shut before anyone but you are taking it into consideration.
quashed? Vote? As Cedric and Unc said above - this rule has been in place for going on 4 years now, like I said - before my time (this is my 3rd year with TTT5). I only aid in running this organization, I don't "make decisions". I only pass on what I've been given - sometimes with my own "little twist". Why do I add my own "little twist"...but it gets old repeating the same old answer over and over and over.
The push system was allowed, or not even noticed, prior to 4 years ago. When it was outlawed - guess what happened? NOTHING. No one slowed down. So, like Cedric said, give it a shot and quit trying to re-invent the wheel when you've only race with us for a portion of ONE season. You never know, you MIGHT like it.
BTW, if you carry 5 bottles and get them filled weekly - how is a pusher system any better if you carry 4 bottles and get a nitrogen bottle filled too? That just seems like one more thing to drive across town for on race day. What happens when you flat can't get nitrogen? Do you have to completely change your tuneup again? Just some food for thought....
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Tangerine_Stripes
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| 02/09/2008 8:17 AM |
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Ok, I give up. All I wanted to know was why they weren't alllowed. I guess it is what it is and there is no reason.
Thanks, Derrick for at least airing something other than It don't work or why don't promods use them. |
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| 02/09/2008 8:39 PM |
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Do you want more people to come to this class? Is a full field at every event in every class better for the organization? I believe in "IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME." If you pack the field, you will pack the stands(and the payout account). Just discussing, and god forbid, testing/evaluating a push system may be what everyone needs. Test the damn thing on two or three cars and see if it "don't work" or won't make a difference in the 1/8th mile.
If you believe what you read, pick up the March 2008 issue of GM HI-TECH PERFORMANCE. Pages 74-79. Tested is a Firechicken that runs low 6's 1/8th. They also happened to have done all the testing at Kennedale to boot.
So. I guess the question I pose is: Do you believe here-say or Magazine print? |
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| 02/09/2008 8:54 PM |
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For those who can't afford to buy the magazine........ there was a .03 60ft gain, .06 ET gain, and 2.10 MPH gain(avg.)
Chassis Dyno results were 28.2 HP and 27.4 FTLBS. (avg.) 175 shot. 47.5 HP with a 300 shot.
http://shopping.netsuite.com/nano-nitrous |
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| 02/10/2008 6:59 AM |
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| I'm not the smartest guy in the world.....but DAMN!!!!!!.....how many times do you have to hear the word NO!!!!! The ttt5 has made it painfully clear that push systems will not be allowed....so what do you really think you are going to accomplish by beating this QUITE obviously dead horse??? |
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chevstang
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| 02/10/2008 4:19 PM |
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| Not that Cedric has said his peace...But if you have the correct siphen tube in your bottle. we found that on a nx bottle had tube problems.because i use to deal with them because they were close...But with 32 pills in the nozzles at 950lbs with and bottle at 45deg. min. nitrous blips,and purging you can get 3 full 1/8th mile passes out of a 10lb nitrous bottle.... |
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| 02/11/2008 6:31 AM |
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Posted By kneel&bob on 02/09/2008 8:39 PM
Do you want more people to come to this class? Is a full field at every event in every class better for the organization? I believe in "IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME." If you pack the field, you will pack the stands(and the payout account). Just discussing, and god forbid, testing/evaluating a push system may be what everyone needs. Test the damn thing on two or three cars and see if it "don't work" or won't make a difference in the 1/8th mile.
If you believe what you read, pick up the March 2008 issue of GM HI-TECH PERFORMANCE. Pages 74-79. Tested is a Firechicken that runs low 6's 1/8th. They also happened to have done all the testing at Kennedale to boot.
So. I guess the question I pose is: Do you believe here-say or Magazine print?
We believe what the RULES SAY, end of story! |
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| 02/11/2008 10:57 AM |
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| Yeah, I bet you agree with everything everybody does too. |
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| 02/11/2008 5:20 PM |
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| hey kneel why don't you go and bob.!!!!!!!! or either race by the rules set or shut up.......... |
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| 02/11/2008 8:05 PM |
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| OUCH!!!!! |
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