chevstang
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| 01/16/2008 4:32 PM |
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Well TTT5 i like the rules and i do believe that the weight rule is good for cubic inch.
This is a good way to police the deal other than a popular block design. Not everyone knows all the ways to find the old saying of there is no replacement for displacement.... |
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madman
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| 01/16/2008 4:48 PM |
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( Also, one more thing - This means that ALL cars will require to have the cylinders pumped to get actual displacement. +/- 1% tolerance. )
I would like to know how you check displacement by filling the cylinder. fill it with what? And how? Should be some rules in place and posted about what your planning to do to ones very expensive motor.
How's responsability is it going to be if the person doing the checking damages, breaks something?
I think there needs to be rules in place for all to see and follow!
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chevstang
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| 01/16/2008 4:54 PM |
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it is like doing a compession check
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madman
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| 01/16/2008 4:59 PM |
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I am kinda bad about let anyone touching anything of mine. I work hard for what I have and don't need it damaged by anyone else.
I would like to see some rules about it in place and guarantee in place that my investment is safe from any wrong doings by accident or on purpose no mater how or who does it. |
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chevstang
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| 01/16/2008 5:06 PM |
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| man it is like they said the car owner is the on ewho pulls it apart they tell you what cylinder they want to check.. The only pain in the ass thing is pulling off the stud girdel and rockers and and having to adjust the valves again.. |
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| 01/16/2008 5:28 PM |
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What's a stud girdle? Does that help with erectile dis-function? |
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Posted By dannysbee on 01/16/2008 5:28 PM What's a stud girdle? Does that help with erectile dis-function?
LoLz...
A P&G meter is just measuring the air that is displaced as the piston moves up and down.. lots of racing classes do this... no worries |
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madman
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| 01/16/2008 6:48 PM |
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Ok I can buy that.
What about telling everyone in the pits what the motor size is? Is there going to be rules about keep some of this info privet. In other words does every one have to know everything. |
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Small-block
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| 01/16/2008 7:20 PM |
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| what do you have to hide, thats why their doing the test to begin with, keeping us all honest! I say if you got it flaunt it, besides, I say if you can out run it, out run it! |
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That is the whole point of the displacement check - to KNOW what you are up against and to adjust weight accordingly. There is no secrecy within TTT5, your best secret is what's inside your noggin. Besides, if a racer inquires about the actual displacement - they have the right to know their opponent is weighted properly. The ONLY thing you'll learn by the displacement check is just that - displacement. No cam shaft specs, no head design, nothing. So, it's no big deal - really. And... to take it one more step further - They'll know, pretty close, just how big your engine is just by the weight!
Now, as far as "damaging" your motor by simply checking displacement - I HIGHLY doubt it. Like mentioned above - it's as simple as a compression check. What if you have a galded spark plug hole and it damages the 1000$ guage? Will you pay for it? Let's be fair now......besides, YOU WILL BE DOING THE WORK - we'll run the guage.
Paying for your motor if it gets damaged? Damaged by what? Air?
Common guys, it's not rocket science - no one is out to damage your engine, car, or anything else. |
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madman
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| 01/16/2008 7:41 PM |
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Posted By Small-block on 01/16/2008 7:20 PM
what do you have to hide, thats why their doing the test to begin with, keeping us all honest! I say if you got it flaunt it, besides, I say if you can out run it, out run it!
I haven't been on here very long but noticed that you are kinda of a smart a$$. I can't wait to meet you.
Now I would like to know everything you have in your engine and I do mean everything. It sounds like you have no problem with let the info spread by the powers at be freely so give it up now.
All I am saying is there needs to be some kind of control over the info that is obtained. Rules apply to even things like this matter.
Think about it.
Do you realy want your competitor knowing what he is up against. It's an easy way to beat someone knowing what he's got under the hood.
I say let the powers at be know the info and apply the rules accordingly. Keep the rest privet. |
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chevstang
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| 01/16/2008 7:41 PM |
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Posted By dannysbee on 01/16/2008 5:28 PM What's a stud girdle? Does that help with erectile dis-function? 
Yea it is for old people LOL
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Chris
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| They pump it full of sandy water, and make you start it. Ill tell you everything in my motor what do you want to know? |
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chevstang
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| 01/16/2008 7:49 PM |
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| Hey madman well even though people know your cubes does not mean they know how much you are spraying,how much boost, or you cam or compression. Get the car up and running come tech in and race... |
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Posted By madman on 01/16/2008 7:41 PM Posted By Small-block on 01/16/2008 7:20 PM
what do you have to hide, thats why their doing the test to begin with, keeping us all honest! I say if you got it flaunt it, besides, I say if you can out run it, out run it! I haven't been on here very long but noticed that you are kinda of a smart a$$. I can't wait to meet you. Now I would like to know everything you have in your engine and I do mean everything. It sounds like you have no problem with let the info spread by the powers at be freely so give it up now. All I am saying is there needs to be some kind of control over the info that is obtained. Rules apply to even things like this matter. Think about it. Do you realy want your competitor knowing what he is up against. It's an easy way to beat someone knowing what he's got under the hood. I say let the powers at be know the info and apply the rules accordingly. Keep the rest privet.
LOL, I can't wait to see this one, it's going to get good.
I don't think John will have a problem telling you anything about his car. I've known him for over 20 years and I don' think I've ever seen him "hide" anything.
There are a TON of pictures of his car, engine and everything in between (and everyone elses for that matter) A Lot of what you ask for can be answered there.
There is no science to a small block, big block, or anything else that would FIT IN THE RULES.
Like I said before - ONLY the displacement and type of heads are all we need to know about...but How on earth can you ask for it to be kept private when the whole weight system hinges on displacement and heads?
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chevstang
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| 01/16/2008 7:50 PM |
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Posted By Chris on 01/16/2008 7:48 PM
They pump it full of sandy water, and make you start it. Ill tell you everything in my motor what do you want to know?
it just a ford thats all right |
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| 01/16/2008 7:53 PM |
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Posted By chevstang on 01/16/2008 7:50 PM Posted By Chris on 01/16/2008 7:48 PM
They pump it full of sandy water, and make you start it. Ill tell you everything in my motor what do you want to know? it just a ford thats all right
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maverick
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| 01/16/2008 7:56 PM |
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| The tech line sure is going to be long and slow this year!I see the rule makers are still scared of small blocks. |
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Posted By maverick on 01/16/2008 7:56 PM
The tech line sure is going to be long and slow this year!I see the rule makers are still scared of small blocks.
The tech line will be as long and slow as the racers make it. If you are not prepared to be teched, like a lot of racers seem to be, then yes, it will be long and slow - part of the reason for the "play day".
Why on earth would the "rule makers" be scared of the "small blocks"? Especially when a BB still has to weigh as much as 3500#? Not to mention, about half of the commitee doesn't even race.
You guys should have been at the meeting if the rules were that important to you.
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Posted By Turbostang on 01/16/2008 8:03 PM Posted By maverick on 01/16/2008 7:56 PM
The tech line sure is going to be long and slow this year!I see the rule makers are still scared of small blocks. The tech line will be as long and slow as the racers make it. If you are not prepared to be teched, like a lot of racers seem to be, then yes, it will be long and slow - part of the reason for the "play day". Why on earth would the "rule makers" be scared of the "small blocks"? Especially when a BB still has to weigh as much as 3500#? Not to mention, about half of the commitee doesn't even race. You guys should have been at the meeting if the rules were that important to you.
I was at a meeting at the end of the season and don't recall any of the new weight stuff being discussed. I most certainly don't remember win 3 races and take on weight rule being discussed for E/S.
I can understand keeping parity, but how far out of whack was it last year?
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