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Turbostang
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| 01/15/2008 1:24 PM |
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Here it is again, for anyone that hasn't seen it yet - the True Street Approved head list.
http://brooksracecraft.com/MISC/true_street_heads.doc
If your heads are not listed, contact a committee member and we'll discuss it and go from there.
Weights - Extreme Street
Small block powered -
up to 440" - 3100#
441-499" - 3150#
500+" - 3200#
Big Block powered -
Up to 530" - 3200#
531-570"- 3250#
571-600" - 3300#
600" + 3400#
632" Cubic Inch MAXIMUM
10.2" Deck height MAXIMUM
*LSx powered cars - 3200#
*Turbocharged ANYTHING - 3350# (88MM)
*Any TRUE 23* headed small block subtract 100#
*YATES heads (or equivelant) - 3275#
*SBF CFE heads (or equivelant) - 3200#
*BBC CFE heads (or equivelant) - +100#
*18* Oval Port BBC heads (or equivelant) +100#
True Street -
*small block turbo - 3200#
*Small block base weight 3100#
*Up to 440" - 3100#
*440" + 3200#
*LSX Engines only in OEM equipped cars - stock valve angle only - 3300#
Big block -
*3300# base weight.
*up to 530" - 3300#
*530"-590" - 3400#
*No 18* Oval port BBC heads.
*No CFE 405's
*588 cubic inch MAXIMUM!
Also, one more thing - This means that ALL cars will require to have the cylinders pumped to get actual displacement. +/- 1% tolerance.
TTT5 will hold a "play day" at TXR in the near future so the majority of the cars can be done at that time. TTT5 will "pick" the cylinder that is to be pumped. The racer/owner will be responsible for getting the car ready to inspect. I.e.; Remove rockers, plugs, wires etc. This will be done one time and a "seal" will be put on the head to block, intake to block, intake to head - or a combination of the above. If the seal is removed for any reason - i.e. engine failure, head gasket, etc.. the car will need to be re-inspected at the next race.
Also, in 2008 in E/S and T/S a 3 time winner will be required to add 100#.
One more thing, In 2008 - The final round, before the round, all four cars will be teched again. NO EXCEPTIONS.
We STRONGLY encourage each racer to come to the play day for 2008 so that they can get "pre-teched" so that it doesn't have to be done on race day. Although there will undoubtedly be a few to do.
I think this covers it, but I might have a detail or two that needs to be changed.
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dannysbee
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| 01/15/2008 3:40 PM |
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| TTT5 said that you used the MNCA Extreme Street head list. You are missing some of the new for 2008 heads. I just don't want to have any new Racer looking for a place to race become discouraged after looking at the list and not pursuing this series. Thanks Danny |
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chevstang
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| 01/15/2008 5:29 PM |
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hey i was reading your list and BMF heads and CFE heads are not on there for bbc they are conventional heads too just asking....
Waiting on the weight list |
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dannysbee
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| 01/15/2008 5:40 PM |
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This is NMCA Extreme Streets most current head list. That is what TTT5 said they used.
Small Block Ford
• Ford OEM Windsor 289/302/351/5.0 & Cleveland 2 bbl. & 4 bbl.
• Ford OEM 2, 3, and 4V
• Air Flow Research 165, 185, 205, 225
• Brodix ST 5.0, ST 5.0R, Track 1, T1, Track 1X
• Canfield 20 Degree 197 cc, PN# 20450
• Edelbrock Performer, PN #60329, #60359, #60279, Performer RPM, #60229, #60259, #60269
• Edelbrock Victor Jr. #7716, CNC #7716, #61269, #61309
• Edelbrock Victor., PN #77219, #61299, #77289, #77299, #61099, #77099
• FRPP GT-40, GT-40P, GT-40X, GT-40Y, J302, N351, V351, Z304
• Holley 5.0, PN# 300-573, 300-574, 300-575, 300-576, 300-577, 300-578, 300-579
• Trick Flow Specialties “Street Heat” Head, Twisted Wedge, Std. & R, Track Heat
• World Products Roush 180, Roush 200, Windsor Jr. & Windsor Sr.
• Dart Pro 1 170, 195, 210, 225
• RHS 200cc & 215cc
Big Block Ford
• Ford Factory OEM Iron & OEM Aluminum (2 bbl. & 4 bbl.)
• Ford 429/460 Aftermarket Cobra Jet Cylinder Heads
• Blue Thunder 460 “OEM Cobra Jet Style” Only. THOR & Other Versions Prohibited.
• Edelbrock Performer RPM 460, Performer RPM 460 CJ, Victor Jr. 460
• Trick Flow A-460 – PN# TFS-21002, 5441B001, and 5451B001
Small Block Chevrolet
• Chevrolet Factory OEM Iron & OEM Aluminum, Vortec (L31) 10239906, 12558062
• CFE BMF RR10 & RR230 Version Only – 23 Degree
• All Pro RR-245, 23 Degree, Standard Version
• All Pro LS1-LS6 Hurricane Heads – 15 Degree Only
• Pontiac 867, 23 Degree, Raised Runner, Standard Version
• Edelbrock Performer, Performer RPM, E-Tec 170cc & 200cc
• Edelbrock Victor Jr. & Victor & CNC, 23 Degree, Standard & Raised Runner
• Edelbrock Victor Part # 77559 23 degree Raised Runner head
• Edelbrock/Lingenfelter LS1 Head
• Air Flow Research 180,190,195,210,220,227cc Street, Racing & Raised Runner Head
• Air Flow Research 180cc LT 1, 195,210,220,227CC LT4, 215CC LT4RR, 205,225 LS1
• Brodix, RR 180, ST, (WPSY, T1, T1X, 8, 8 Pro, 10, 10X, 11, 11X, Standard & Raised Runner)
• Dart Iron Eagle 165cc thru 230cc, Race Series 220cc, Pro 1 200cc thru 230cc
• Canfield 23-500 – 23 Degree, 23-600 – 23 Degree
• Trick Flow – 23 Degree
• GMPP 23-Deg Fast Burn Heads, # 12467713, Bowtie Std & Raised #10051101, 12480034
• World Products S/R Torquer, Sportsman II 200 cc Iron & Alum
• World Products Motown 205 cc & 220 cc Iron & Alum
• Pro Top Line Pro 23 Degree Iron & Alum Std & Raised Runner –215, 222, 256, 222, 256cc
• Pro Top Line 23 Degree Pro Lightning 180, 200, 223, 228, 242, 235cc Iron & Alum
Chevrolet Big Block
• Chevrolet Factory OEM Iron & OEM Aluminum
• CFE/BMF 350cc Big Block Chevrolet
• Brodix BB-1, BB-1 OEF1, BB-2, BB-2X, BB-2 Extra, BB-2 Plus, BB-3
• Edelbrock Victor & Victor CNC, Edelbrock Victor Jr. CNC Oval & Rect
• Edelbrock Performer RPM 454-O, 454-O, 454-R
• Edelbrock Victor 24-degree Rectangular Port #77419, #77409
• Dart Pro 1 310 cc thru 355 cc, Race Series 265 cc thru 360 cc
• Canfield Big Block Chevy 24.5-800, 24.5-900
• GMPP Signature Series BB Heads cast # 12363401,12363391
• Air Flow Research 265, 290, 305, 315, 325, 335, 345, 357, Oval, Rect & CNC Port
• World Products Merlin II Oval & Rect Port 269, 320, 345, 305, 350 Iron & Alum
• Pro Top Line Pro Thunder 320, 360 cc Alum & Iron
Chrysler Small Block
• Chrysler Factory OEM Iron & OEM Aluminum
• Mopar Performance W5, W2
• Edelbrock Performer RPM, RPM 340
• Brodix B1-BA, B1-BA/MC
• Bulldog Performance Chrysler B/RB Heads
Chrysler Big Block
• Chrysler Factory OEM Iron & OEM Aluminum (non Hemi style).
• Brodix B1-BS (Not B1)
Brodix B1 (original, non-"MC" or "TS")
• Edelbrock Performer RPM 440
• Indy 440-1, 440-C, SR
• Bulldog Performance Chrysler B/RB Heads
Oldsmobile
• Olds Factory OEM Iron & OEM Aluminum
• Batten Small Block Olds Performance W2
• Edelbrock Performer RPM Big Block
• Bulldog Performance Oldsmobile Heads
Pontiac
• Pontiac Factory OEM Iron & OEM Aluminum
• Edelbrock Performer RPM Big Block
• Wenzler Series II (Not Super Chief)
Buick
• Buick Factory OEM Iron & OEM Aluminum
• TA Performance Stage 1,2,3,4
• Bulldog Performance Buick Heads
AMC
• AMC Factory OEM Iron & OEM Aluminum
• Indy 401-SR
Note: Stock factory OEM heads are those cylinder heads that are factory
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chevstang
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| 01/16/2008 5:34 AM |
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Are the CFE heads that good to make them people that are running them add as much weight as 18deg. bbc heads. i was just reading and asking.
I never new anyone one to run these heads but they must scare people... |
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AR
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| 01/16/2008 6:44 AM |
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Who am I leaving off of or including that is not on the committee?
Turbostang, Unc, Cedric, Benny |
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Turbostang
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| 01/16/2008 6:54 AM |
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Posted By AR on 01/16/2008 6:44 AM
Who am I leaving off of or including that is not on the committee?
Turbostang, Unc, Cedric, Benny
add Joe Torres, Casey Braswell
..and I don't think Unc is, but I coud be mistaken. |
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TTT5
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| 01/16/2008 7:40 AM |
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Just to let everyone know, the reason we went with a certain weight base on cubic inches is in and effort to maintain parity. As well eliminate a penalty for different engine blocks.
This was not a knee jerk reaction. The committee talked about this matter since the end of the season. This is what we felt was best for the oganization.
An to clarify in E/S CFE 405 or equivalent carry a 100lbs penalty .
18 degree BBC conventional head oval port or equivalent carry a 100lbs penalty.
CFE Pro king headed motors will run at 3200lbs.
Turbos will be limited to conventional style heads.
Maxiun cubic inch in E/S is 632ci.
T/S maxium cubic inch is 588ci.
Also remember the following heads are not allowed in T/S. CFE 405 or equivalent,18 degree BBC conventional heads,18 degree sbc heads, CFE Pro King or equivalent. There are several others but this was just a reminder. make sure you checked the approved head list .Aluminum blocks are not alloweed in T/S unless it came as oem eqipment. All list will be updated in the upcoming weeks. Thanks for your support.
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TTT5
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| 01/16/2008 7:46 AM |
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| Committee Menbers are Benny,Casey, Turbostang, Joe Torrez,Unc and Cedric. The other spot was held by Tom and a decision has not been made to fill it since we are no longer over Limited Street. |
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| 01/16/2008 9:42 AM |
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| Looks like you guys need to go head and make out all the checks to John Flores since his motor is just a little over 440 and you want be able to see it with a gauge. An Also since he is the only one South of Waco that will not have to add wait from last year. |
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punisher#1
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| 01/16/2008 11:52 AM |
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i'm realy sorry guys. i didn't mean to cause any trouble. |
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Turbostang
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| 01/16/2008 11:55 AM |
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Posted By punisher#1 on 01/16/2008 11:52 AM i'm realy sorry guys. i didn't mean to cause any trouble.
There is no trouble, you caused no troubles.
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punisher#1
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| 01/16/2008 12:13 PM |
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then why would you penalize someone who does their homework and wins three races when they play by the rules put into place by the committee?
let's look at last years quallifying sheets and last years ladders.
i won three races and went to the finals in the other three.
i quallified in the #1 spot one time and was usually in the 3 or 4 spot.
the car was very consistant durring eliminations, so it's not like i was sandbagging.
if i had a performance advantage over the rest of the top half of the field why would i have lost three finals? shouldn't i be able to just turn it up in the finals?
i'm not saying i will have the same luck this year as last year,(i probably won't win any since i will have to weigh 200 pounds more than last year) but i think it extremly unfair to add weight to a car that wins three races if the rules are fair to begin with. |
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Turbostang
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| 01/16/2008 12:17 PM |
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If the rules are "fair enough" and you win 3 races... well it would depend on who you ask whether or not they are "fair enough" wouldn't it?
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| 01/16/2008 12:27 PM |
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The rules are not made to punish anyone, they are to keep parity. It is better for the organization to go by cubic inches than a visual inspection. With the various combonations avaiable it is easier to police using this method. We know this will not make everyone happy however this is in the best interest of the TTT5.
As far as the additional weight for winning three races in a season, T/S has had this rule in place for the past two seasons. Based on the rusults from T/S we felt it was needed in E/S This rule is also enforced in other racing organizations similar to ours. Just remember guys/girls it's not what's best for me but what is best for the organization. |
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| 01/16/2008 12:57 PM |
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| Are Victor heads allowed in T/S on a SBF? If TFS-R and AFR 225s are then whats the problem? |
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Turbostang
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| 01/16/2008 1:02 PM |
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| Last word I got was they are NOT legal, they are 18* heads. |
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| 01/16/2008 1:07 PM |
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| Just wondering |
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| 01/16/2008 1:51 PM |
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I am glad you clarified the CFE 405 or Equivalent.. makes sense to me now.. I like the Cubic inch vs weight rule as well. The win three race rule "not so much" but understand why..
MPK
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| 01/16/2008 2:08 PM |
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| WE will also be checking valve angle to make sure everyone is within the rules. As it stands right now you will be allowed +/- 2 degrees from orginal casting. |
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