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| 10/28/2007 8:54 AM |
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Ok, here is a quick update of the rules for 2008. If I miss something doesn't mean it's not a rule or addition. So, if I forget something please remind me and I'll add it. During the off season, we'll get the site updated as well. L/S - No changes. E/S - Tubular Heidt style front ends allowed for Chevy II.It must use a "A Arm" type front end. NO STRUT type suspension allowed. No spindle mount wheels allowed. If you have questions in regards to what is or is not intended, please CONTACT A COMMITTEE member. T/S - New tire allowed M/T 275/60/15 in conjuntcion to the 28/11.5/15 ET street. These are the ONLY tires allowed. The only BRAND allowed. NO EXCEPTIONS. Turbocharged small block - 3200 lbs. Ladderbar/coilover allowed - STOCK FRAME RAILS still apply, plus 100 lbs. additional weight. Coilovers allowed on all cars. |
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Pro Street D Posts:63
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| 10/28/2007 9:05 AM |
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| Ladderbar cars will car extra 100 lbs. |
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Turbostang Posts:2163 Forum Nazi Location:
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| 10/28/2007 9:20 AM |
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| You are correct Derek, it has been added! Thanks! |
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michaelts71 Posts:68
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| 10/28/2007 11:38 AM |
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| Will mustangs have to carry a weight penalty for coilovers? |
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Turbostang Posts:2163 Forum Nazi Location:
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| 10/28/2007 11:52 AM |
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| Not as it was discussed in the meeting. |
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hoytracing Posts:2
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| 10/30/2007 10:52 AM |
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| Question - Can we use a fiberglass dash as long as it is for the year of the car, painted and has the guages mounted in it? thanks |
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Turbostang Posts:2163 Forum Nazi Location:
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| 10/30/2007 11:03 AM |
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Posted By hoytracing on 10/30/2007 10:52 AM Question - Can we use a fiberglass dash as long as it is for the year of the car, painted and has the guages mounted in it? thanks
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hoytracing Posts:2
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| 10/30/2007 11:11 AM |
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| Sorry about that, I was talking about Extreme Street 10.5. thanks |
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Turbostang Posts:2163 Forum Nazi Location:
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| 10/31/2007 9:02 AM |
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| On the dash, No, it can't be used in Extreme |
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Progres1 Posts:5
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| 10/31/2007 11:50 PM |
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I already oked the fiberglass stock replacement dash with unc on here months ago he said just come on and race it would be fine and also what is the deal with 3200lbs Turbo small block in T/S and E/S staying at 3300 lbs. these rules do not have parity Excuse my spelling. They favor Nitrous in E/S and T/S. That is why I did not race in TTT5 in 2007 no reason to kill myself to run 5.20's at 3300lbs. We ran 5.40's in scotts car and had hell doing it. The rules need to change to 3200lbs big block and 3200lbs turbo small block 88mm nitrous small block should be 3000 and there should also be only stock suspension or ladder bar no 4 links at the rate ttt5 is going it will only have a handful of nitrous cars running and joining the true ten 5 org just like factory street.... Look at the turnout when you open the rules up. Look at DFW Outlaws no one car dominates that race and turbos would not dominate Extream street at my rules you still have to get down the track on a True 10.5 Cedric call me if want to talk about what I have to Say I would love to help grow Texas True 10.5 John Sheffield |
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Turbostang Posts:2163 Forum Nazi Location:
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| 11/01/2007 6:28 AM |
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John, the rules will not satisfy everyone and never will. If you'll remember 2 or 3 years ago Tom Malouf ran 5.teens in good weather and consistent .20's in regular weather with a 91 and AIR/AIR intercooler. So, in theory, an "88MM" car, air water, and the same weight - it will do just as good. If you'd take notice at the last race there were a ton of cars in E/S that ran .30's and a couple that ran .20's. (.i.e. good weather) So far there hasn't been but one turbo car that has stepped up and put forth a valiant effort to compete in either class with the current rule set. I can promise a turbo car CAN compete in E/S. Maaaaaybe not in T/S, but definitely in E/S. Scott's car "only" ran 5.40's for many reasons. Old tires, a suspension that needs adjustment etc.. (those were Scott's own words)... He ran more MPH than ANY other can in the class - remember that? Remember Johh, I am probably the biggest turbo advocate on our site - but no one will step up and "prove the rules wrong". Until then WE don't have a leg to stand on. As for the dash, all I can say is get some clarification from Cedric. |
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Unc Posts:246
Location: Watauga Texas
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| 11/01/2007 9:55 AM |
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Posted By Progres1 on 10/31/2007 11:50 PM I already oked the fiberglass stock replacement dash with unc on here months ago he said just come on and race it would be fine and also what is the deal with 3200lbs Turbo small block in T/S and E/S staying at 3300 lbs. these rules do not have parity Excuse my spelling. They favor Nitrous in E/S and T/S. That is why I did not race in TTT5 in 2007 no reason to kill myself to run 5.20's at 3300lbs. We ran 5.40's in scotts car and had hell doing it. The rules need to change to 3200lbs big block and 3200lbs turbo small block 88mm nitrous small block should be 3000 and there should also be only stock suspension or ladder bar no 4 links at the rate ttt5 is going it will only have a handful of nitrous cars running and joining the true ten 5 org just like factory street.... Look at the turnout when you open the rules up. Look at DFW Outlaws no one car dominates that race and turbos would not dominate Extream street at my rules you still have to get down the track on a True 10.5 Cedric call me if want to talk about what I have to Say I would love to help grow Texas True 10.5 John Sheffield
Cedric said leave a # and he will call you. Personaly, I don't see an issue with a fiberglass dash as long as it is stock appearing. As far as the weight goes, most of the BB nitrous cars can't get down to 3200 anyway. Mine race ready was 3408 at the last race and most of the other BB cars are at 3300. Tom Malouf ran teens at 3300 with air to air 91 MM. I don't see why you can't do the same thing with an ice water cooler and an 88 mm. As far as DFW outlaws, it's just a matter of time before someone starts to dominate running 50's and 60's. Then watch the 5.00 and 5.10 cars stop racing in it. Extreme Street has gotten bigger each year with the way the rules are. For the life of me I can't see why you are letting 100 lbs stop you from racing when most cars in the class are a 100 lbs over the weight in the 1st place, not all, but most are over weight. Riggins car is 100 over weight and that don't stop him from racing. Cedrics car is 100 over weight and that don't stop him. Mine is 200 over weight and that don't stop me. I don't get it! |
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Progres1 Posts:5
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| 11/01/2007 10:17 AM |
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Man the reason I have A problem with 3300lbs is we Run Clash of titans in Stock Suspension and run a 106mm with a 91mm Reducer plate on the front we weigh 3200 because that is as light as my car would get but the rules state I can weigh 3050lbs and BB chevy Nitrous car was my competition last year running 7.70's. I can weigh 3100lbs in fun ford Street renegade with the reducer turbo and Houston TTT5 rules are 3200 lbs No turbo limit.. Texas Versus world Rules are 3200lbs No turbo limit They let the 10.5 tire and track condition limit the power.
As you can see there is a bunch of cars that dont run with the Texas TTT5 due to 3300lb rules to name a few Travis Franklin (when he had stock Rails in the car) Crede Young he has been out for years and wont run due to the weight and F2 no water rule. Ryan Martin from OKlahoma, me John Sheffield, and all of blown and turbo houston cars I understand what you guys say about your cars weigh 3300 lbs but they can get lighter than that with a few lexan and fiberglass parts. It would make the cars safer and I gurantee you would not have one car dominate if you guys would try this and if they did win three races in a row than then weight penalty should be inforced for that set up.... Cedric I can be reached at 972-896-5705 Thanks John Sheffield
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Unc Posts:246
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| 11/01/2007 3:39 PM |
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Posted By Progres1 on 11/01/2007 10:17 AM Man the reason I have A problem with 3300lbs is we Run Clash of titans in Stock Suspension and run a 106mm with a 91mm Reducer plate on the front we weigh 3200 because that is as light as my car would get but the rules state I can weigh 3050lbs and BB chevy Nitrous car was my competition last year running 7.70's. I can weigh 3100lbs in fun ford Street renegade with the reducer turbo and Houston TTT5 rules are 3200 lbs No turbo limit.. Texas Versus world Rules are 3200lbs No turbo limit They let the 10.5 tire and track condition limit the power. As you can see there is a bunch of cars that dont run with the Texas TTT5 due to 3300lb rules to name a few Travis Franklin (when he had stock Rails in the car) Crede Young he has been out for years and wont run due to the weight and F2 no water rule. Ryan Martin from OKlahoma, me John Sheffield, and all of blown and turbo houston cars I understand what you guys say about your cars weigh 3300 lbs but they can get lighter than that with a few lexan and fiberglass parts. It would make the cars safer and I gurantee you would not have one car dominate if you guys would try this and if they did win three races in a row than then weight penalty should be inforced for that set up.... Cedric I can be reached at 972-896-5705 Thanks John Sheffield
Wolfe had to weight 3500 lbs in Orlando. Here is the link: http://www.speedworlddragway.com/street_nationals/ 3400 # base weight and add 100 for 2nd turbo. That didn't stop him from going. I still don't see why you won't race at 3300. You can put that 100 where you want it and use it to your advantage. The Houston TT5 and Texas vs The World are nothing more than Lim ited Street classes, so there is no comparison to Extreme Street. It seems like you want it your way, or else you won't play. I say come play and try. You haven't even tried. |
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Progres1 Posts:5
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| 11/01/2007 3:51 PM |
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Talked to cedric we have a aggreement to try this at 3300lbs and if not competetive he will lower to 3250 I am ready to give this a try when is the next race going to be for ttt5 Thanks John Sheffield |
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Unc Posts:246
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| 11/01/2007 4:19 PM |
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Posted By Progres1 on 11/01/2007 3:51 PM Talked to cedric we have a aggreement to try this at 3300lbs and if not competetive he will lower to 3250 I am ready to give this a try when is the next race going to be for ttt5 Thanks John Sheffield
Good, I'm glad you are going to give it a shot. I think you will be hard to beat. Next race not till next year. |
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gory Posts:26
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| 11/02/2007 12:00 PM |
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Racing is a sport and crybabies / whinners make the sport suck. |
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Nosjunky1968 Posts:37
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| 11/02/2007 12:18 PM |
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| If ya'll let me in with an air to water intercooler I'll race in true street I'll take off the 91.5 and ad a 76 and come race!!!!!!! |
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Turbostang Posts:2163 Forum Nazi Location:
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| 11/02/2007 12:28 PM |
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| That won't happen, not this season at least. As I said above, NO ONE has stepped up with then current rule set and attempted to make passes wtih us. Until that happens it hard to say what will and won't "compete". |
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Badbluestang Posts:5
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| 11/04/2007 5:52 PM |
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| Brooks do you know why is ok to have a mid plate but not a motor plate in T/S. |
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